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08 Jul 2014 23:12:18
Hearing from a good pal LUFC have opened discussions with Davide Astori and Cellino saying this deal may still happen! That would be another great signing lots of interest in him from Juventus Galatasary plus a host of others incl a couple of prem clubs. 8 - 10 mil rated Italian National squad player - centre back very quick and can score goals. Hope this was written into the sale of Cagliari ~MOT
1.) As much as I want this to be true, I just can't see us either paying that kind of money for 1 player or him being interested when the likes of top premiership teams, juve etc are sniffing. Truly hope I'm wrong as he'd be an incredible signing and sign of intent
2.) Yes I said same and I don't think we are offering anywhere near that valuation. However he knows MC and of course we have Nicola Salerno confirmed as sporting director I imagine they would be fairly persuasive when it comes to negotiations. I hope that this was in part conditional to the sale of Cagliari. At least if it is true we are in talks which is something - fingers crossed #MOT
3.) 09 Jul 2014 08:57:16
Man city was the prem club, but with their money every player gets linked. the main rivals are Lazio, and inter are favourites. MOT
4.) With Rossini apparently nearly done and heavily linked to Giuseppe Bellusci, who sounds like a decent player. I can't see Astori coming especially with so much interest and price. Just hoping all this imports have that little extra quality we have been lacking in recent years.
5.) Agree with all the previous posters I am hoping we don't see any split in the dressing room either as Newcastle and many others have suffered when you get a big influx of foreign players. I aren't sure about the Hocks credentials for handling this type of squad either. But at least we are signing young players with some credibility in their own leagues. Time will tell but we surely have moved forward from the last 2 regimes we endured. C'mon Leeds
6.) Can't see M C putting up with any nonsense from any player regardless of nationality and as he seems very much to running the show I hope these signings come good.
Commitment pace and passion is my hope .
7.) Can't see this signing coming off. Why would Astori go to a champ club on ~£10k a week when he could go to a prem club and be on £40k+.
07 Jul 2014 10:53:25
Just heard from an academy coach at HTAFC that they hear on the grapevine that LUFC are closing their academy all together and intend to run a B team instead. Its the continental way and Watford did the same last year. They are tracking several of our academy players and will try and pick them up if they do.
Whilst it feels we are being downsized substantially and their may be a long term affect in new talent coming through. Personally I think it might be time to try something new we very rarely get to see academy players coming through and they are usually off the books and elsewhere by the time we know about them. So if it reduces overheads and is in line with financial fair play I think ultimately surely should encourage more investors.
What does everyone else think?
1.) If this is true (and its a big IF), I think it's shameful, short sighted and wil ultimately cost LUFC money in the long term.
2.) Before we all start jumping on a doom and gloom band wagon.
1/ TA is open for the coming season
2/ how many academy players do we actually see in the first team?
3/ how many do we sell on for profit
4/ from the above we could then see its actual worth not as an academy but as a business.
3.) 07 Jul 2014 14:00:08
What a load of BS!
We had 7 academy graduates in the squad for the last game of last season. Our Academy brings through as many as anywhere - just look at Lennon, Milner (currently prem), Byram, Mowatt, Lees, Poleon, Dawson (Championship). Go back to Woodgate & Co - need I say more. Its been the most successful part of LUFC for the last decade.
4.) As already been said IF it happens it's wrong. The identity of our club has to be kept. We're a uk club but unique in some ways and changes need to be made but MC is trying to turn us into Calglari 2nd. Some things just won't work over here & as much as he's done a lot of good here he can't just walk all over our British identity because he owns us. Were Leeds, we're Yorkshire & I for one want our local youths coming to us. They will be discouraged & end up at Donny, Udders, Sheff etc. We all know Academies can be real success stories if run correctly & that means getting them young & encouraging right through the age groups starting with all the local schools.
MCs idea is picking up youth players dropped by other academy's or from Italy. In my opinion
I want change but am not willing to sell the soul & fabric of this great club for some italian prototype which if it fails will set us back years
5.) Isn't there a "Donation" of half a million from FL to these "Achademies". If so, then that's gone with closure.
6.) When is the last time that any real promising player stayed with the club?
I do think bring talent through is important but can we afford it, or should resources be spent on the first team .
For years we have signed released club less players rather than up and coming talent, which is why we are where we are .
The team needed a clear out, and it's to soon to judge on the current squad as there are still changes to come .
7.) Well my lad was offered a trail for the academy last Friday, Don't think they would still be scouting kids if this was the case.
MOT
8.) I got told we get £4.5mil a yr for running thorp arch is this true?
9.) Dawson, Poleon, Mowatt and Lees aren't championship standard hence why we finished 15th.
10.) The academy has brought in millions in junior player movement in the past few years. Taewo and Woods netted Leeds £5m compensation from Chelsea in 2006. Up to £1.5m for Luke Garbutt 2009. Others have gone to Man City (Leeds refuse to play them at youth level because of poaching activity), Real Madrid and plenty of other Premiership clubs and all will have attracted compensation. Two of this season's U15s have been called up for England along with another of our ex U15s who is now at Man City.
The original poster is probably correct, although I have not heard this directly. A lot of the coaching staff that had junior squads lined up for next season have been released, so I am not sure who is coaching the junior squads next season.
I have been told that MC wants the youth system to run on the same budget as Cagliari (€30K I was told?). That will cover about 8 part-time coaches? Each squad (u9 to u15) needs 2 coaches so that leaves us short by 6 coaches ignoring the goalkeeping coaches, and academy management and admin people and the kit etc. So the future for junior football doesn't look great.
Leeds United have all academy players under contract for next season, and some older ones for up to 3 seasons, so I do not believe that they will close next year as it would risk compensation claims from the players who are entitled to training as part of the contract. But all the noises I am hearing suggest that MC wants to go the same way as Watford. Sad thing is that Leeds have the best squads this side of the Pennines and in some age groups, arguably best in the country. Those players will leave with no compensation paid if the first poster is accurate.
11.) 07 Jul 2014 15:45:03
MC had a reputation of developing youth players, getting them in the first team and selling on for big profit. So I'm asking how will we do this without a youth academy? A B team set up won't work here if they can't okay competitive reserve league fixtures
12.) Which league will this B team play in? Bit fanciful old mate. Nice try though.
13.) 07 Jul 2014 15:56:01
As far as I know and have heard from everything cellino has sais is that he will be focusing on youth and Leeds producing a lot more of the talent than they have for the past 5 years at least . with that said i'm not sure how that goes in hand with scaling back youth teams etc . I would of thought it be the opposite if anything
14.) Who eva is spreading such utter rubbish and scare mongering unfounded totally imagined bull. Have a think what MC said a month ago about how he is going to turn Leeds profitable business and a major part in his business plan is selling some of the youth players. I don't have the exact words he said but he said he would not spend money on old player and high wages when we will trade intelligently were we get one or two players that have experience then fill the team with our younger youth players and sell one or two of them for money that Leeds values them at not selling for low anou gs cause we don't need to sell players to operate. MC last club was built on young talent that they developed and inturn they sold a few for profit. This is how caligari was a viable business. MC is a business man and he knows how and what makes money. I think the grapevine mis understood the facts that MC is planning on leaving Thorpe arch and bringing the Academy closer to the Team at Ellend Road. All the main team player and the Academy closer under one roof which lines u to what Hockaday was saying in that LUFC will be smaller, leaner but much more of a close unit. This gives the mentality of all for one and one for all creates a great team bond. This makes much more sense than MC getting rid of the Academy, he also know Leeds needs to actract young fans and also still keep us as a professional club that every big club has. MC stripping Leeds of all the non nessersery parts that was costing Leeds money and throwing good money after bad, then we keep the parts we need to operate as a professional club were MC knows Image is everything. This cleaning of Leeds United has been well over due and was required. Doing this is hard work, its not easy and takes hard decisions that requires balls of steel. All past ow ers did not have the will nor balls to go through this process that will be u popular and putting yourself in the firing line. This proves MC here to stay and he ain't going any time soon. He is working and we should all respect the guy.
15.) I think what you will find is MC will move the academy closer to ER, he wants to develop youth so it would totally against his wishes if you believe the post.
Bit like when the players were told to bring sandwiches the week before they went to Italy. Yes it was true ONLY because TA was closed and re-opened when they were away.
People put 2+2 together and!!
16.) Who eva is spreading such utter rubbish and scare mongering unfounded totally imagined bull. Have a think what MC said a month ago about how he is going to turn Leeds profitable business and a major part in his business plan is selling some of the youth players. I don't have the exact words he said but he said he would not spend money on old player and high wages when we will trade intelligently were we get one or two players that have experience then fill the team with our younger youth players and sell one or two of them for money that Leeds values them at not selling for low anou gs cause we don't need to sell players to operate. MC last club was built on young talent that they developed and inturn they sold a few for profit. This is how caligari was a viable business. MC is a business man and he knows how and what makes money. I think the grapevine mis understood the facts that MC is planning on leaving Thorpe arch and bringing the Academy closer to the Team at Ellend Road. All the main team player and the Academy closer under one roof which lines u to what Hockaday was saying in that LUFC will be smaller, leaner but much more of a close unit. This gives the mentality of all for one and one for all creates a great team bond. This makes much more sense than MC getting rid of the Academy, he also know Leeds needs to actract young fans and also still keep us as a professional club that every big club has. MC stripping Leeds of all the non nessersery parts that was costing Leeds money and throwing good money after bad, then we keep the parts we need to operate as a professional club were MC knows Image is everything. This cleaning of Leeds United has been well over due and was required. Doing this is hard work, its not easy and takes hard decisions that requires balls of steel. All past ow ers did not have the will nor balls to go through this process that will be u popular and putting yourself in the firing line. This proves MC here to stay and he ain't going any time soon. He is working and we should all respect the guy.
17.) I think what you will find is MC will move the academy closer to ER, he wants to develop youth so it would totally against his wishes if you believe the post.
Bit like when the players were told to bring sandwiches the week before they went to Italy. Yes it was true ONLY because TA was closed and re-opened when they were away.
People put 2+2 together and!!
18.) 07 Jul 2014 22:48:24
Would never happen. England's academies are a major part of the money in the game, the amount of promotion and money generated through not only selling youth players, but through sponsorships for junior kits etc etc is way too much to get rid of.
19.) I can assure its not something I necessarily agree with but anyone thinking this can't happen need to look at what happened at Watford who no doubt had a good academy etc. I aren't advocating this either but anyone saying its scaremongering or BS needs to get their heads out their Arse and realise we have to be financially viable. We are no longer being run by a democratic board but its the whim of someone who knows what worked for him in Italy. There are a few possible indicators that concerned me>>>> Why would we close TA that's never happened before. The catering staff have been let go as the poster realitycheck says several high profile coaching staff have gone. It seems that there is more downsizing to come. Plus the move away from TA doesn't mean it would necessarily be another academy. I am a long time ST holder in N.East corner South Stand, West stand and the old Paddock b and for the last few years been in F24 captains lounge. This season I am continuing to support LUFC and proud to be bringing fresh support to ER and transferred to the Family stand with my youngest son. So I aren't some nobber from Hudders**** posting to create chaos. I hope all the posters saying this can't and won't happen are right and to counter balance the above my pal is a scout at ER and he doesn't think it will happen! If I hear anymore on this I will stick it on! Cheers Grimesey MOT
20.) Who the **** would wan't to goto the dog botherers! They only got that scouse bloke because leeds paid up the whingers contract, Forest and Bolton pulled out of a deal because of his ridiculous wage demands! B team see Development team seems the FA are keen on this model too!
21.) What we know is this Gfh running the club posted a loss over 9mil, bates running the club every decent player always sold .
Is this the only way to balance the books, or like we all think Bates was milking the club?
At least M C looks like he may bring in young reasonable player's who all should develop rather than has-been's
26 Jun 2014 07:59:19
I heard this morning Diego Lopez coming in as Coach to assist the Hock and the Italian invasion begins with El Abraimi - Izzo - Cacia with Del Fabro & Daprela also possible. Their will be 1 announcement today this has come from a reliable source connected to the club.
As he said to me don't shoot the messenger! Hockaday more like didntlastaday! Forza Leeds
1.) I think you mean Ibrahimi not El Abraimi lol. Hopefully most of those sign, especially Izzo and Del Fabro
2.) 26 Jun 2014 14:20:14
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29 Jul 2014 14:45:36
Is it me being a fatalistic at the start of the season again or are just signing cheap low rent Footballer?
I have gone from the all too familiar empty hollow feeling and embarrassment of precisely cock all happening in the transfer window. To us being linked with every International Italian operating below the top flight.
I would suggest that the current crop of signings seem to lack of any Genuine quality with at best dubious claims to Serie A clubs (most seemingly never having never made the 1st team)
Where are the replacements for a Striker a Winger the Creative midfielder and plus a settled centre Back pairing?
5/6 or even 7 new players still adds up to a big pile of rubbish the if their levels are below what we have.!
Has Viviani or Benedic signed altho the latter again hasn't any proven track record ( Our own academy lads probably better placed)
Are we going to be a disjointed unsettled side with no out and out goal scorers and a manager out of his depth? I can't escape this horrible feeling we might be!
Hope there is more to come and we do sign some recognised proven footballers
Tell me I am wrong and its all going to be alrite!! #MOT
1.) I have my concerns about the quality of the signings made however just because they are not household names in this country doesn't mean they are poor. My concern is in regards to the lack of leadership and authority on the pitch. If we sign Viviani and the player from AC they could be very exciting players however you need a blend of experience to go with the youth. The likes of Austin, Norris, Tonge are not good enough for the first team.
2.) GRIMES
I agree the names are not household and whatever people say on ere they HAVE NOT watched these guys on a regular basis.
All I can say is MC/Salerno scouted & picked youth at Calgari and found some gems, fingers crossed ;)
3.) 30 Jul 2014 19:27:10
And how many Watford players had we all heard of two years ago
23 May 2014 10:44:25
Genuinely heard from my pal who refs for the academy games at TA and is a scout for LUFC. Leeds have been talking to Massimilano Allegri ex AC Milan & Cagliari with regards to being the next Leeds Manager. Deal is far from done yet but its another one on a growing list. Ranieri mentioned as well in todays daily ******* ( we will be linked with any out work Italian wouldn't surprise me to see Di Canio and Berlesconi on the list!) Either way can't see BMD surviving the cull unless they don't want to pay his alleged 1.5 million severance.
MOT
28 Mar 2014 14:53:33
Seems neither Cellino nor GFH paid any extra money in to cover wages there was money already there and that the remainder will be paid by one of the parties but not until the takeover issues are resolved.
I still cannot see how we will be allowed to slip into admin by GFH why spend the money in the first place then 6 months later just write it off. Makes no sense to me.
Lets make sure we get behind the team tomorrow but let those wombats at GFH know who owns our club! #MOT
1.) Yes support the team and Brian but let GFH know our feelings if they have the balls to how there faces?MOT
24 Mar 2014 08:49:59
Adam Pope was on last night quoting Phil Hey of YEP saying he had been in Italy to watch Cagliari
(they lost 1 nil to Bologna ) and whilst their managed to grab a quick word with Massimo who said he is getting fed up with this delay and it needs to be sorted out very soon. Sound ominous and I don't blame him it surely cannot take almost 5 months to assess suitability. Come on FL how will it feel if a potentially significant investor walks away. Make a bloody decision!
#MOT
02 Aug 2013 12:16:08
I have heard from someone I don't really know who's not connected to the club that we aren't signing anyone today. You heard it here first! #MOT hope to see you all there tomorrow c'mon LEEDS!!!!
1.) The first rumour I actually believe. MOT
2.) You need to put FACT at the end of your statement. no-one will question it then!
He has now said he didn't even know he was in the running and he wants to finish what he started at Swindon. I expect a foreign manager working in the lower leagues. He won't pay for a celebrity manager like that barrowboy ****wit at QPR or any one else that wants more wages than the players
Why all of sudden does every one care about LLUFC no one goes to watch and I Include myself in that as a ST holder. They have dropped a div this year so will have even less press coverage than before I just can't see the point. It seems to me to be another example of historic overspending which was fine we were flying high but we are a bottom half championship side with half the fans we used to have and less than half the revenues.
Surely the rebuilding of the brand, the 1st team and the fan base has to come above all else at the minute. So we can get back in the top flight and then afford to support things like this. If the Academy is suffering cut backs and may potentially close how can you justify supporting an amateur team in decline?
I don't buy fake support which almost all of us are guilty of where LLUFC are concerned.
#MOT
Agree with all the previous posters I am hoping we don't see any split in the dressing room either as Newcastle and many others have suffered when you get a big influx of foreign players. I aren't sure about the Hocks credentials for handling this type of squad either. But at least we are signing young players with some credibility in their own leagues. Time will tell but we surely have moved forward from the last 2 regimes we endured. C'mon Leeds
Yes I said same and I don't think we are offering anywhere near that valuation. However he knows MC and of course we have Nicola Salerno confirmed as sporting director I imagine they would be fairly persuasive when it comes to negotiations. I hope that this was in part conditional to the sale of Cagliari. At least if it is true we are in talks which is something - fingers crossed #MOT
I can assure its not something I necessarily agree with but anyone thinking this can't happen need to look at what happened at Watford who no doubt had a good academy etc. I aren't advocating this either but anyone saying its scaremongering or BS needs to get their heads out their Arse and realise we have to be financially viable. We are no longer being run by a democratic board but its the whim of someone who knows what worked for him in Italy. There are a few possible indicators that concerned me>>>> Why would we close TA that's never happened before. The catering staff have been let go as the poster realitycheck says several high profile coaching staff have gone. It seems that there is more downsizing to come. Plus the move away from TA doesn't mean it would necessarily be another academy. I am a long time ST holder in N.East corner South Stand, West stand and the old Paddock b and for the last few years been in F24 captains lounge. This season I am continuing to support LUFC and proud to be bringing fresh support to ER and transferred to the Family stand with my youngest son. So I aren't some nobber from Hudders**** posting to create chaos. I hope all the posters saying this can't and won't happen are right and to counter balance the above my pal is a scout at ER and he doesn't think it will happen! If I hear anymore on this I will stick it on! Cheers Grimesey MOT
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