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11 Oct 2021 10:55:24
Dallas apparently fit again so should be available for our next game.


1.) 15 Oct 2021 18:33:31
Injured.


 

 

07 Oct 2021 13:59:31
Leeds United have agreed personal terms with 17 year old Espanyol attacker Mateo Joseph, although have only bidded half of his £1m release fee. Joseph is out of contract this season so Leeds may be holding out to get him on a free. Man Citeh boss Pep has previously been an admirer.


 

 

02 Oct 2021 06:52:23
Leeds had scouts watching 24 year old Villarreal forward Arnaut Danjuma in the Champs League this week.


1.) 02 Oct 2021 13:24:56
The guy cried out that he wanted to join Leeds! Now we are looking at him! MAN.


 

 

01 Oct 2021 23:10:40
Gelhardt omitted from u23 action tonight. Could that mean a significant part tomorrow? . we shall see.


 

 

24 Sep 2021 06:26:52
The Lang rumours refuse to go away despite Bielsa allegedly turning him down. Has had a great start to the season.


1.) 25 Sep 2021 21:03:15
he will go to a CL team end of.


2.) 27 Sep 2021 13:56:33
He's already at a CL team.


3.) 27 Sep 2021 19:30:21
correct Alf
and he will go to a (much) BIGGER CL team.


 

 

 

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20 Oct 2021 22:22:41
Ayling back in training. Would be nice to have him back ASAP to free up Shacks to cover DM if the Philips complications keep him out for a while.


1.) 21 Oct 2021 09:55:14
Have to agree here Alf, I actually saw Luke’s injury as not a major issue at the time, however, clearly for the team he’s been a big miss either on the pitch or the dressing room.

Hoped Drameh would have been given a chance but sadly not as yet, and fully agree baby shacks better option in midfield than Pascal.


 

 

20 Oct 2021 19:28:27
Leeds United have once again been linked with a move for Norwich City midfielder Todd Cantwell.


 

 

20 Oct 2021 19:22:46
Firpo has a muscular problem. Expected to be out for a couple of weeks.


 

 

20 Oct 2021 08:00:55
Clu when you quote Bielsa referring to the u23 players being good enough, you often miss out this passage: For all these youngsters, it would be ideal to compete in a group in the Premier League, but if they're not here there comes a moment where they need to look for a competition higher than the under-23s, otherwise their progress will be stalled, ” he said.

“The expectation for all of us is they compete outside of the club for a year and we find an evolution that invites us to bring them back into the fold. "

So essentially, Bielsa doesn't see the natural step up as u23s to Prem - he thinks ideally there is a step of increased competition in between i.e a loan where the players prove themselves at a higher level and the they would come back and start knocking in the first team door. Makes sense ehen you see the reduced chances the u23s get in the first team. The youngsters haven't yet proved themselves at a high enough level.


1.) 20 Oct 2021 10:00:35
Alf, he may well have said such a thing at some point, though I don’t recall reading it. However the message he gives most consistently is that he prefers to put pressure on those currently in the first team. That is the main reason for limited opportunities for the U23s. Also, if Bielsa has talked about loans in that way, it flies in the face of the anti-Orta narrative that he brings in players who just aren’t good enough, and if they go out on loan their obviously not going to come back in.

The reality will vary from player to player, as it does at other clubs. For example at Citeh many players go out on loan first but some are kept in-house for all their development - most famously Phil Foden, but the same has happened with Cole Palmer, who scored in the Champions League for them against Club Brugge last night. Summerville is unlikely to go out on loan, having already played in the Eredivisie for a season. Bate also seems unlikely to go on loan, as he came here specifically to avoid that type of scenario at Chelsea. The message coming out of the Club consistently is that Gelhardt, Greenwood and Drameh are expected to feature with the first team this year. For this season the plan will have been for them principally to play in the u23s within the top division of their league, which is a significant step up from last season and, when individually appropriate, to get experience in the first team. They should be stepping up to full time first team next season, and presumably a judgment call will be made on an individual basis. If, on the basis of their own stage of development and the other players currently in the first team squad, it is felt that they will get enough game time here to accelerate their development, they will stay here. If not, and remaining here will stall their development, an appropriate loan opportunity will be sought.


2.) 20 Oct 2021 11:16:44
Good post Clu, it’s what I broadly understand with the young prospects.


3.) 20 Oct 2021 14:08:42
Cheers OP.


4.) 20 Oct 2021 14:11:17
So you are now discarding what Bielsa himself said (albeit interpreted) as it doesn't support your arguments? I guess you will be waiting for PH to write about that before you believe it? Or perhaps you just know better overall?


5.) 20 Oct 2021 15:58:50
No Alf, Bielsa has said a number of things about the young players at Leeds - it is not a case of one size fits all! As I said above, it will depend on the individual player, and the opportunities that will be available to them. For example, Bielsa has shown he is happy to play Cresswell in the Prem, but if, against all expectations, all our current first team CBs become more consistently match fit and able to maintain the required standard of play, Bielsa may decide Cresswell, and the Club would be better served in terms of his continued development, if he was loaned out due to lack of first team opportunities. In the cases of the lads I named previously, when they were signed, the Club believed their abilities meant there was a good chance they could - if opportunity arose - be fast-tracked to the first team without loaning out. Though, if for any reason, whether their own stage of development, or pathway blocked by existing first teamers, it is probable they’d be loaned out, to avoid stunting development. McGurk and Miller would perhaps seem more likely to go on loan first, likewise some of the players who’ve been in the U23s for a while, like Kenneh and McCarron.


 

 

18 Oct 2021 19:48:12
Shackleton one of the few players who came out of the game on Saturday with any pride stats included six tackles, five interceptions and completing 83% of his passes inside the opposition half. Good to see him continuing his improvement. I think I'd have preferred to see Shacks in as DM instead of Struijk but of course we have no other right back available.


1.) 18 Oct 2021 21:43:30
Alf we do have another right back in Cody Drameh ; whether he gets a chance in the first team remains to be seen.


2.) 18 Oct 2021 22:34:40
Alf - we do have another perfectly good RB who could have stepped up - as said previously, Drameh could, and perhaps should have been played at RB/ RM on Saturday, freeing up Shack to play as a nominal DM. According to LUTV’s audio commentary we were actually playing with three at the back, as usual when facing two forwards - with Struijk at the middle of the three, and Klich nominal DM, though his instincts are generally to get involved in the play more forwards than that.


3.) 18 Oct 2021 22:51:37
I'm not sure you can count a player who has never played for the firsts. One day maybe but he must not be getting opportunities for a reason.


4.) 19 Oct 2021 05:26:03
Baz, clue' agree again. Why buy a promising RB and not play him?


5.) 19 Oct 2021 09:26:28
Alf - your looked for reason lies not in any inadequacy on Drameh’s part, but rather in two of Bielsa’s traits. Firstly his preference (as he himself has said) to look first to established first teamer for ‘solutions, wanting to put any pressure on their shoulders rather than on less experienced players. Secondly his tendency to feel ‘guilt’ for not providing opportunities to those players most deserving of them. Shack has figured with the first team previously, and according to reports was one of the most impressive in the bleep test and in other preseason work, and had previously played at RB. Bielsa evidently felt able to put the pressure on Shack to fill the RB slot in Ayling’s absence from the position, either when playing CB or injured, and would have felt ‘guilt’ at not giving the opportunities to play which he deserved (which could possibly have led to very well thought of and Bielsaball proficient academy graduate leaving) by playing Drameh instead. In a recent interview, Cresswell said that he and the other u23 (including Drameh) recognise that they can’t (and shouldn’t) expect to just to walk into the first team here and are content to wait for when Bielsa believes to be the right time. Drameh knows he was specifically recruited to the heir to Ayling, and will trust the process in place for that to happen.

In my view, last Saturday would have been a good time to bring in Drameh for his first taste of the first team, allowing Shack to move into the midfield, either to take Tyro out of the firing line or to give Dallas a chance for some time and space to deal with whatever off field issues are going on. Maybe Bielsa will come to see things that way (perhaps against Norwich) , but maybe not - doubtless there will be other factors that will come into consideration.


6.) 19 Oct 2021 10:30:48
I can see Forshaw starting at DM in our upcoming games and if he stays fit and can still cut it at this level that would be the natural solution as he is a DM. That means Shacks can continue at rb and Drahmeh is not needed.


7.) 19 Oct 2021 10:32:53
BTW I never said Drahmeh was inadequate (although as an untested player we certainly can't day the opposite) merely that there will be a reason he is not getting picked.


8.) 19 Oct 2021 11:19:23
I know you didn’t say it in your recent post but in previous posts you have repeatedly suggested that in your view Uncle Victor keeps on buying young players who Bielsa clearly doesn’t rate as good enough as he doesn’t play them.


9.) 19 Oct 2021 11:27:10
And, Alf, although your latest posts didn’t specifically say Drameh was in adequate, you do seem to imply that Bielsa’s reason for not playing him most likely relate to Bielsa’s current judgment on Drameh’s readiness for first team action.


10.) 19 Oct 2021 13:29:56
Of course. If Bielsa thought he was ready thenhe would play him surely? He isn't playing ergo Bielsa doesn't think he is ready.


11.) 19 Oct 2021 16:24:51
Not necessarily Alf, as he has been prioritising giving gametime to Shack and yes, frustratingly, still to Tyro. As Drameh’s u23 minutes seem to have been reduced in recent weeks, hopefully that is an indication that he is getting closer to meaningful involvement with the first team.


 

 

 

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11 Oct 2021 07:55:23
I can't see it happening as soon as that. Not with the 3 year pla to get into Europe and the stadium expansion.


 

 

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27 Sep 2021 13:56:33
He's already at a CL team.


 

 

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18 Sep 2021 07:19:19
Yes it was a loan offer by all accounts but would have left us even lighter in terms of our squad and maybe we would still have been paying a portion of his wages. Also some sources reporting at the time it was only semi serious.


 

 

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18 Sep 2021 07:18:05
Direby need to be relegated to League 2.


 

 

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14 Sep 2021 15:05:36
In the meantime while the appeal goes through does that mean we can play Struijk against Newcastle or will a decision have been reached by Friday?


 

 

 

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21 Oct 2021 07:29:32
Maybe they actually scout players instead of just adopting a 'hit and hope' scatter gun approach?


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 19:14:33
This is exactly what myself and other posters were saying in summer and were lambasted for it and told we were 100% wrong. We needed to strengthen and the board made bad and hopelessly naive decisions.


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 19:03:36
I give up. You only see what you want to see and constantly sin any narrative to suit your pro-orta agenda. Not sure if you are being deliberately obtuse or you actually believe your own nonsense but either way I'm bored of having my words twisted by someone who is never wrong. Whatever.


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 18:55:52
Totally agree - nobody should be put through that stress.


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 16:04:45
Spin isn't about lies necessarily Clu, just painting real events in a certain way. For example, the truth that Bielsa only had 2 players to pick from, chose 1 and then wanted to know how quickly they were joining becomes 'Bielsa couldn't wait for them to join and bugged me about it every day'. Not entirely true but not a lie either. Of course the info given to the journo will paint the one providing it in a positive light - that's spin.