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12 Jul 2014 20:30:26
Looks like we have lost out on Pavoletti the most promising of all the names I have seen us linked with. The irony is he looks like signing for Cagliari ( the Fiat ) on Monday and rejecting the chance to sign for a Ferrari. Hope Mass has a plan B to replace Ross's goals as Doukara isn't that type of player.In Cellino we hope

voiceofreason

1.) Would say more than in mc we hope, he has certainly done better by leeds than any chairman we have had since les silver. chin up we are going the right way


2.) Voice
You have some knowledge of foreign players!
Well said bermondsey ;)


3.) How do you know he's the most promising? Do you expect us to get everyone we are linked with? MC and his scouting team will have identified many promising players, they know the Italian League far better than you or me .
Just wait and see and stop whining .


4.) 13 Jul 2014 10:04:16
He was asking for stupid money. Cellino said he wants player who want to play for us not for the money so see what happens


5.) I believe Daniele Cacia is training with us and is a free agent after leaving Hellas Verona. Scored 24 goals in 25 Serie B games so hopefully Cellino will sign him up.


6.) 13 Jul 2014 11:34:32
That seems to have been the case all summer - missed out on top targets di gennaro pavelotti gamberini antenucci n vivaniand we've ended up with much lower quality players!


7.) Instead we have got hungry up and coming players that want to play for us and not money grabbing badge kissers . Give them a chance ffs


8.) 13 Jul 2014 13:48:50
Who says we were chasing any of them anyway? nobody other than those who think computer games are real life had heard of Di Gennaro et al either


9.) If only computer games were real life, my leeds team have just won league three times on trot and champs league once, now manage england as well and we just won euros. if only Leeds would be best team in the world and I would probably have a bigger gaff


 

 

28 Jun 2014 08:00:39
According to this mornings current bun Ross has requested a transfer, seems our captain is not mightily impressed with the coaching revolution. So onwards and upwards take 7m plus and invest it inmore italians. We become more like Watford every day, but they were a decent side season before last

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1.) If they will still pay 7 million knowing he wants to leave


2.) No he has not. ross luvs leeds!


3.) Exactly season before last we need consistency


4.) Its the sun, yesterday they said he had pledged his future to Leeds, tomorrow he will be joining newcastle, its not a real paper, just a comic


 

 

18 May 2014 09:16:41
MC has called in forensic accountants, this could just be to testify in the pending winding up order from Haighs Sports Capital but maybe they are going further to investigate the past 10 years and how the club haemorrages money. I wonder if either of our previous owners are getting nervous?

voiceofreason

1.) Bring it on! Open the books!


2.) I have read that Massimo has contested the amount that Haig is claiming, so maybe he intends to fight it in court rather than just pay him off, or maybe he feels they need to deduct the cost of Haig's security cameras if it wasn't approved by the general board.

. either way, Haig's winding up order has now frozen the club's bank account which means wages can't be paid to the staff, yet another legacy from the fat boy then.


 

 

 

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24 Jul 2014 14:12:14
How many italian players can you name who are currently playing in ELP and the Championship first teams. Just to make it a fair reflection exclude Sunderland ( De Canio's madness ) and Watford ( Udinese B ) Then ask yourself why so few if signing all your players from Serie A or B is the way forward for us

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1.) God your so full of happiness and joy I think you be disappointed if you were grassed off! Let's have positivity for a change


2.) I'm positive we need better players preferably experienced in EPL or Championship does that count


3.) Voice
Look at your last 5 comments on your profile mate, positive do t get a look in I'm afraid ;(


4.) There's a very good reason for that Andy. MC saved the club and has worked tirelessly to reduce the ridiculous overheads and move on some of the dead wood. He has also appointed a head coach and coaching assistant who leave me significantly underwhelmed. There are just over two weeks until we play our opening League team and our squad remains far too weak for the season ahead. Yes it could all change and hopefully Viviani will still sign and I see him as a good signing. Just wish MC would remember what he said a few months ago - anyone remember this " “With the income of £28,000,000 per year. Eighteen million on wages. For the rubbish team like that! You shouldn’t spend £5,000,000 on wages not eighteen. With eighteen million on wages you can make a team that can really compete or go in Premier League. With top players. I thought from the beginning to bring Italian players, because I come from Italy and know very well Italian players, but it is wrong because I am in England. I have to get most possible English guys, or international players. Because Italian players, they are good players, but, you know, I’m Italian, they, they don’t speak English in Italy. They very hard from them go from Italy to Leeds. It’s always raining there. You know? It’s a different country. They have different meals. They have the risk to… to … to fail, you know, very easily.

So I change my mind. You need here good English players. OK? And International players. Good quality, with good skills. With the right wages. And grow a beautiful team next year to get ready the year next to go into Premier."


5.) Voice
I totally agree with you honestly I do, I'd love a David batty or a Ian Harte, Gary Kelly etc but we have to let MC succeed/fail in his plan. Whatever me or you say WONT change massimos mind, he's a stubborn guy and only listens to 2 people from what I'm told.

Let's try and be positive, optimistic whatever you want to call it because what did we have pre-massimo?

Admin and years of misery AGAIN
Chin up voice ;)


 

 

18 Jul 2014 10:49:44
What a fantastic interview from Mr Cellino, knows exactly what to do and say to inspire our passionate following. Sometimes prone to exageration but I love the passion, drive, self motivation commitment and belief. Many Leeds fans shirts will bear Cellino on the back can't remember too many paying the same homage to Bates and can't imagine too many sheep molesters with Tan on the back of their shirts

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14 Jul 2014 09:15:46
To sum up our transfer activity so far -
We have replaced the championships top scorer with Doukara
We have replaced Butland with Silvestri and Ashdown with Taylor
We have replaced Brown & a few other drains on the budget with Bianchi
Last season we finished 15th & Ross got 29 goals yet myself and many others are vilified for being negative and not true fans. I have supported Leeds for 47 years and in our darkest hour I still couldn't imagine supporting anyone else but at the moment our squad is paper thin in quality for what will be an extremely competitive Championship MOT

voiceofreason

1.) Please change your log in name to 'voice of doom'. The club is moving in the right direction, please give them your support.


2.) Whilst I applaud blind optimism, I must look to evidence for gauging how far forward the Club has moved. Whilst Cellinio appears to be a great drinking buddy and says all the right things to get me excited, it is still just hollow words unless there is evidence of real investment on the pitch and securing the status of the Club into the future.

But the time for all this discussion is nearly over. We can start to support the team on the pitch and see the evidence of how Cellinio's ambitions are going to be realised.


3.) Totally agree Voiceofreason, although there is still time to sign players and I applaud the decision not to sign players who don't have the correct attitude, we need to face facts that only 4 players have been brought in. 3 of these players have potential however all are not guaranteed to fulfil it therefore you are left with a small squad of players who last season could not cut the mustard. I feel that Cellino has taken the necessary austerity measure to financially improve the club however transfer activity is currently a net profit of circa £10m but the squad is no stronger than last year (so far)


4.) Yes, the squad is thin on the ground, but for your information the transfer window is actually still open!

Did you expect 20 new signings over night?

Let's judge the squad once it is actually complete and performing on the pitch, I understand the frustrations, but there is still plenty of time for business to be done.

MOT


5.) We need wingers, wingers and more wingers. 2 25 goal a season strikers, new wing backs and a creative midfleider.


6.) He is not being a voice of doom and clearly is going to support the team, there is nothing wrong with supporters showing their concern if they believe that the club is not moving quickly enough with regards to our signings so far, that is not being negative and not supporting the team I would say the opposite. We have around 9 million to spend from the transfer which MC says is on top of the existing transfer budget so I think fans just want to see some 'names' being purchased a lot of players have rightfully been released but the squad is very short on the quality needed for the championship we have signed three unknown italians one on loan which I hope are going to be great signings but we need some proven quality and we may need to spend proper money to get them, looking at our funds we seem to be able to afford them so hopefully they will start to come in alongside the new signings. I like others have agreed with MC decisions so far and hope he continues them with the correct signings because everything about a football club feeds off what happens on the pitch I know how big this club is and what support is out there for a successful team.


7.) MC
Has been at the club what! 12 weeks roughly, he's had numerous DEBTS to pay whilst the club were running at a loss of £1 mill per month. Bank account frozen for weeks, threat of court action was looming and he had to get rid of the garbage on the pitch we had to watch last season. On top of this he was trying to sell calgari and in his spare time scouting players for the future.
Ross wanted out what do you want MC to do hang onto a player who DID NOT want to stay and watch his value diminish as he STOPS kissing his badge? You moaned when previous owners sold Howson-Snoddy-Johnson-Beckford for peanuts
(Any prevous owner would have sold ross for £3-£4 mill) MC got a fantastic price.

You want the club turned around in 12 weeks, these are the failures of the past trying to run before we can walk. IF YOU ARE true leeds fans you won't want to be reminded of our past 15yrs.
For god sake lads give the new owner a chance he's only been at our club a wet day.


8.) So voiceofreason, let's snap our fingers and everything will be complete. I hate this line but its true 'Rome wasn't built in a day'


9.) So MC has stated that he is not going to use the money from the sale of Ross to bolster the tranfer kitty. He is planning to use the money to purchase Elland Road. That's a Ken Bates move!
All that means is that he has used the sale of our best player to fund the transfer of a major asset (the Stadium) into the ownership of Massimo Cellino - not into the ownership of Leeds Utd. There is a subtle but very important difference.
Not saying this will happen but, in theory MC could sell LUFC at some point in the future but retain ownership of the stadium, thus placing LUFC back in the situation of not owning the ground (unlikely, but possible).
The McCormack money should have ben invested in the first team squad 100%.


10.) Voice of Reason, Reality and Notts, this is exactly how I feel myself although it seems to be portrayed by others that instead of showing caution we are actually being negative or ‘not real supporters’, some are even saying we need reminded about the last 15 years history, I for one don’t need reminded, its these memories that make me cautious, maybe its them that need to recall in their minds when GFH took over and the euphoria of having rich Foreigners on our side, does anyone need me to remind them of how that piece of history turned out. So it seems that there are 2 sets of opinions, one is cautious and showing concern for the future and being criticised for it and the other is happy to accept anything the new owner/manager tells them or does. Who will ultimately be right in the end? So some say ‘give cellino a chance’ well we don’t have any say do we, accept it or go somewhere else, and what happens if he turns into another bates or GFH? Do we just ask him to leave? Its that simple right. I ll probably get hammered for this post but I m not a real supporter, right.


11.) Rome wasn't built in a day but the season starts in 4 weeks and were nowhere near ready. I'm very positive atm regarding Cellino however I'm am also realistic. Milwall is fast approaching


12.) I believe that Do Cellino is a wealthy businessman with his own money and a successful track record in football club ownership. He is not comparable to GFH who had no money per their financial statements and no record of ever being involved in football. It is easy to be negative but let's give the man a chance.


13.) 14 Jul 2014 14:33:30
Lol, McCormack had one good goalscoring season and all of a sudden he's a guaranteed 25 goal a season player. He will flop big time this season, which is why I'm delighted we got so much. Anyone still claiming without McCormack we can't possibly challenge, which teams have gone up with McCormack in their side? 0. We look a better team than last year and still have signings to make. Why not go and support Fulham if you think McCormack is so great? I remember last year and most fans wanted him to go to Middlesbore, now he's the best thing since sliced bread.


14.) Great post voiceofreason, football is all about opinions & some people think that if yours isn't the same as theirs then you are wrong, if we were all of the same opinion we wouldn't be using sites such as this. MOT


15.) I do not prescribe to the view that those who do not conform with the opinion as those who have blind faith are not true supporters and therefore their opinion is not valid. As Leeds fans we need to accept that we all have a common goal but perhaps disagree with the best way to achieve it. My opinion is based upon facts or what I believe to be true. Currently I do not feel that the squad is any stronger than it was last season, we have less numbers and similar quality, although my opinion could be changed through seeing the new signings play. I would dare to suggest that if GFH or Bates had sold our top goalscorer (albeit for a smaller fee) and signed a freebie, a loanee and two players for less than 1 million there would be a revolt. There is still time to improve the quality of the squad and the players with potential could realise that potential, but at this exact moment I feel that more needs to be done


16.) Give the club time we have debts that needed paying and all the other mess which our great club was in. We are now hopefully in a good position and can move forward I will be happy to finish mid table and next season fight for promotion let's stable the ship first .


17.) Guys it is not your right we are wrong sort of argument. What would be nice to see instead of doom and gloom/cautious, would be to recognise what MC has done in the 12 weeks he has been here. We all understand that we need more signings. We should all understand that the chances of a top, expensive player is not going to happen he doesn't work that way. So let's look at what he has done

1 Bought the club out of his own pocket
2 got rid of some of the dead wood
3 paid at least 5 million in debts
4 cost cutting and getting us back to a profitable club
5 got way way way more for mcormac than anyone ever dreamed of.
6 stated club now has 20 million in working capital + 11 million
7 sorted out a can of worms with the DH and GFH plus uncovering irregularities and video cameras and all that stuff
8 tells the fans far more than any previous owner in 15yrs
9 wants to keep our best players
10 wants players who are committed to LUFC not the pound.
11 brought in 4 players atm
12 stated yet again he is buying back ER
13 managed a 16-0 win in pre-season

Ill stop there. I know you can put a negative slant on some of these but you can also put positive on them too. those ones time will tell but no point getting upset about them.

I think the man has done just about all he was expected to do in 12 weeks. Certainly more than any previous owner. Remember he is a football man he knows how to run a football club. He wants LUFC to succeed more than any of us do because it is his money and he understands getting back to the PL makes him more money than getting relegated does.

just to be fair I will put some of his questionable decisions down

1 4 players we have not herd of
2 coach we have not herd of
3 possibly messed up a friendly
4 win in pre season was against a carp team.
is that it? really is that it?

you cautious people make your own minds up has he done enough in 12 weeks or do you think he is ken bates again?

for me he has done enough for me to be optimistic, more so than many years in the past.


18.) 14 Jul 2014 16:46:01
Yes time, it is going to take time.

I remember transfer windows where we bought NO ONE, sold our best and grabbed a few Freebies. and all the money ( and no doubt the ER rent) went into Papa Smurfs back pocket.

Why not give MC a chance, support the team loudly and if we are in the bottom 3 come october you can all slate the rest of us for being blinkered optimists who are sick of all the "reasonable Realism"

MOT


19.) Spain, I ll just add a little to your 'positives'
1 Bought the club with his own money? How do you know he bought it with HIS own money, yes his family is worth a lot of money but how do you know he used it to buy the club? Because he said so? How do you know it wasn t borrowed meaning it needs to be paid back.
2 Wants to keep our best players? He s just sold our best player, who are all these other best players? Byram and mowatt? Is that it, is that really it?
3 Has 20 m in working capital + 11 m? Is the 11 m from mc c sale? We got closer to half that when cardiff get their share, we do get more if fulham get promoted, but that's if.
4 let's not even talk about the 'fallguy' hockaday or these unknown players who will get a wakeup call when the championship begins.
I guess we agree we are Leeds fans but disagree in the way forward


20.) Too many people are obsessed with buying a "name". These are exactly the type of players who move for money (RMc). When they have a bit of personal glory they are on their way again. I don't claim to know anything about MC but it is clear this is not the way he works - and he's not likely to change now. Totally agree with Andy & Spain - look at what he has had to contend with and then compare it to anything over the last 15 years in terms of getting to grips with it. We may not rip up trees this year, but we will be far better placed to move forward as a club - that at the very least is worth being positive about!


21.) 14 Jul 2014 20:00:21
Well at least my post induced some lively debate I was beginning to think this site had been deserted by everyone. For what its worth I like MC and love his passion. I just worry that he sees the championship as the equivalent of serie B whilst personally I feel very few serie B sides would cope with life in the championship. There are still 4 weeks to kick off but MC works far too hard and tries to do too many jobs. The result is mistakes are made and as our season starts with some of the teams we need to beat and currently we lack the players to do it. Whatever happens it won't be dull and I will always be Leeds 4 life MOT


22.) 14 Jul 2014 21:11:20
What the whingers also fail to see is that we had an embargo and our accounts frozen, so we're playing catch up on that front too. I don't think you can really criticise Serie B, when the Championship isn't that great either. Serie B is a lot better technically for a start.


23.) The embargo was irrelevant, although signings could not made it did not stop the club speaking to players. The delay in getting Salerno was more likely the cause for us playing catch up.


24.) Salerno was contracted to Calagari until the 1/7

and while I am posting ill reply to irish

1 you also don't know if he bought LUFC
with a loan your making that up
2 yes sold mc but for 11 million and didn't want to play for us, you would have kept him?
3 hair splitting on the 11 million I should ha ve said 20 million plus mc fee. BTW not much to say about the 20 million working capital?
4 no point being negative atm just because your football knowledge is not as good as Salerno's with the 4 new additions.

so really all you are whining about is an unknown coach? can you not see any positives to anything MC has done? Really? and buddy I do mean REALLY?


25.) SPAIN
Some people say cautious and I can see why they would be having these thoughts been sold down the river in the past.
After reading the above comments I can see both parties points of view but I think some people are bordering from cautious to negativity, whilst others are optimistic bordering cautious (if that makes sense)
Some people WILL NEVER be satisfied with whom we sign or spend, you can spend £50 mill tomorow it don't mean success will follow.


 

 

08 Jul 2014 22:44:19
Anyone know if either of the new lads speak English?

voiceofreason

1.) Keh!! .


2.) 09 Jul 2014 09:25:25
Si Keh Watt?


 

 

19 Jun 2014 17:24:56
Does anyone know what happens if you fill a Ferrari with red diesel

voiceofreason

1.) Depends on whether you actually intend to drive anywhere in it?


2.) You save about 80p a litre, but still does the same job.


3.) Ferrari's require petrol, if you fill up with diesel you won't get very far and it's very expensive to put right.


 

 

 

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Just MC flexing his muscles, Cooper will hand in a request saving Chesterfield the signing on fee and we'll probably agree 750k

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Doesn't inspire me either. A real shame we look like losing out to Cagliari of all teams for Pavoletti who does look the real deal. But Doukara is on loan and I guess we haven't broken the bank to sign him, he reminds me of Heskey :-)

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Ross is miles better than Bechio whose 2nd touch is a tackle. That said 8m would be an amazing deal for us regardless of who he goes to. As for his agent paying a fine of 2 weeks wages that's absolute nonsense. Why pay a fine with money which has already been subject to supertax, clubs would simply not pay players the amount they are fined and avoid the tax.

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Happy if all that's true especially Wootton. Sam seems to have fitness issues so if we get a good offer I think we should cash in

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We can but hope. If he goes to the Baggies we get compensation instead of paying out 1.5m to get rid.

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Should have Harry Rednapp in charge of closing signings he manages to sign three players in the last hour of a transfer widow whilst Leeds take 3 weeks to complete a loan signing. Being based in Italy should delay a transfer for a matter of hours not weeks.

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Austin was stand out player at Chesterfield

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Think he might want to know what the Hock was doing leaving all his new signings on the bench having already stated the starting line up was our best team. Not saying the Hocks judgement was incorrect but guess the birthday boy won't be happy

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If by good money you mean 300k ( I believe that's what we paid for Ross ) then if we can find a couple more we should sign both!

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There is no doubt where we will be with the current squad. Keep hearing from Salerno that quality players want too much money, if they think that will change I fear they may be disappointed. If we had 15m for players why is Delfouneso the standard we are aiming at. All our targets from Italy are unknown to us so we can't gauge their quality and hope they are the hidden Pirlo. If our other targets were known in the UK we would have a good idea of the level we are aiming for

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