15 Aug 2023 12:13:30
Good article by Phil Hay today at least trying to see the reasons behind the relegation clauses as they were coupled in many cases with up to 60% wage reduction clauses. The aim being to reduce the wage bill significantly if relegation happened, and it has, and it has. Now Baz like, I think I've been making that point for several weeks! If you ask players to take a 60% wage cut, they might want to be sure they can leave and actually, you might want to make it easy for them to go!
1.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 13:07:51
Such simplifying Span to try and swerve an appalling act of sabotage
In my eyes the blame is in the hands of the clown who thought it smart to insert a relegation clause which indemnified our club for substantial loss
You seem more interested in the wage bill reduction, than the loss to our club, it was absolute lunacy for this too happen
Victor's gone
The players are gone
The club is in a mess
No other Prem club in last 2 decades had had this much she-ite after being relegated
And it's all on our D. o. F, because he was TOP MAN, on ALL Football matters at club, he was the man saying
Only for me
Only for me
Ya he got that right alright
ONLY FOR FARKING HIM.
2.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:00:43
At least the truth is out on the loan clauses - which, as I suspected, were not an Orta idea but rather part of the Club’s financial approach to potential relegation. It would seem they massively misread the likely sentiment in the dressing room, believing that with both a 50-60% wage cut and a possible loan get-out in their contracts, there’d be a good number of players who would suck up the paycut and stay at the Club to fight for the fans and their clause-less teammates rather than abandoning ship and clambering into the first liferaft that passed by, even one from a toxic ghost-ship like Everton.
3.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:02:47
El Spagnole the whole thing stinks from start to finish
1) Firstly from the very beginning Radz and Orta should NOT have been even buying let alone (vastly ) . overpaying for mediocre players . Overpaid on BA, GR, DL, etc . that very few other teams would want and certainly not at the prices Leeds paid.
2) an R. clause should suffice not a Loan clause for a GOOD sought after player
3) These self fulfilling R loan clauses set the club up for FAILURE and RELEGATION . it made R extremely likely as it created
. zero team spirit with noone at all bothered if Leeds went down
because virtually every player was on a R loan clause so they knew they had an easy guaranteed get out of club.
4) The reduction in wages / R loan clause guarantee imo is an OMISSION OF GUILT that Orta and co knew ther had signed mediocre to garbage players, and overpaid on them and that no other club would want to buy them / or buy them for anywhere near the same fee Leeds had paid .
As far as I an aware very few if any other club has virtually their entire team on a R loan clause
Madness. all imo.
4.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:08:44
. indeed Chris.100% spot on.
5.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:23:25
It makes perfect sense financially. No disclosure on loan fees tho. Get the dross out, stop paying them, get a chunky loan fee, then apart from Koch, flog em! Quids in. There’s a guaranteed £80m either in Jan, or next summer.
6.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:36:59
Basura,
1, agreed but easy to spot after the event!
2. No, not to an agent or player who wants to be pretty sure you can get out. when a wage reduction is a certainty on relegation.
3. Agreed team spirit not helped by the different treatment of players as well as many other reasons post Bielsa. Again, I posted that the Marsh era not working was likely to cause real problems for the club because so much had been staked on it! And I even bothered to go and shout at the man!
4 no admission of anything, just a strategy that didn’t work in stopping relegation but might work in creating a reasonable payroll for a championship club!
5 As you admit you're NOT AWARE! Agreed on that. Capital letters are fun! My nephew says on the internet it’s rude to SHOUT!
Phil is very critical of many things but at least is trying to understand and explain the strategy.
7.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:38:06
But now time to use the transfer window and shore up what is a very thread hard squad with some quality players, starting with a forward.
8.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:42:23
I will put my lot Roma won't buy Razzy
Roca debatable!
Also Spanish, the players who you said you wouldn't blame due to wage cuts for leaving . Who signed them?
Theirs no escaping it or him
Who signed them?
9.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:43:47
Chunky Loan fees Bright?
You would think so BUT .
Athletic report that there is NO LOAN FEE for Jack Harrison
I suspect therefore that ALL the other loans (. except RK reported £500K) have NO loan fees
Madness . And numerous expletives .
10.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:46:21
How much loan fee we get for Harrison bright.
Think we all need to admit it’s a **** up.
Think we all need to hope 40s can do better now they in control and quickly.
11.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 14:57:05
80 mill Brighty heres hoping,
12.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 15:23:20
End of the chaps will never the money back in our kitty what we payed for those RATS so we crack on to WBA if we forme a team I would enquire about pukie ha can still do business in championship.
13.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 15:31:40
Chris, I think if you ask fans of teams like:
Derby, Bolton, Ipswich, Wednesday, Luton [though they are back], Oldam, Portsmouth, Sunderland, Wimbledon, Reading etc and they will say they have had [and still having] a pretty miserable time since being relegated. Coventry even lost their ground for 7 seasons. I think its a bit melodramatic to say we are suffering anything at the moment like these clubs; we have lost one game, and lost 7-8 players that everyone thought was $h1t3 anyway.
To be straight here, Leicester have had a bigger fall from grace than we have; they were EPL champions 7 seasons ago, were playing in Europe 2 seasons ago.
As for the loan scheme, well another way to look at it, what was the appeal of coming to Leeds, sitting in the relegation zone; perhaps this was the compromise needed to get them here in the first place. The gamble was not being relegated; it didn't pay off. We can all whine over spilt milk, but what's done is done.
14.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 15:55:45
The point I feel we differ on teams you mentioned is relegation from Prem coupled with a complete capitulation of squad without any cash
It's a really bad hardship in itself being relegated, but Victor has crippled us with anther caveat the current owners could really do without
I understand that clubs can keep on falling but we have had lots of she-ite ourselves, and seem to always wallow around plughole
Why were Razzy --Roca --Baracus given clauses? , their really poor footballers, why has our club had to bail those lumps out? Who on earth felt that those men were worth such a risk?
Why because Victor knew best .
I know. many say, change the record now, but when it's still as relevant today as it was last May, how can you just not talk about it?
It's impacting out current squad -fixtures - future what that man thought was clever.
15.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 15:56:38
El Spagnole Phil Hay looks more bewildered and baffled imo than having clarity ( on The Square Ball when discussing this issue )
He also has made some complete gaffes himself recently. re Aarons etc
So he is hardly the gospel at present ??.
16.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 16:06:28
£80M you are having a giraffe ?. More like £25M tops.
17.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 17:01:43
Bas funny thing is last Sunday Span dissed me by saying oh don't mind square ball lads they have an agenda and only want to sell things
Fast forward to Tuesday, and square ball regular Phil Hay is the man for all facts according to Span,
So try figure that 1 out?, ??.
18.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 19:32:55
Chris ? that really is no surprise re El Spagnole.
19.) 15 Aug 2023
15 Aug 2023 22:28:14
As per my earlier post Chris, Phil Hay’s latest info shows the loan clauses were not down to Orta, but rather part of the Club’s misguided financial provisions for relegation mitigation - counterbalancing the 50-60% wage provision within player contracts.
Your contention that it was clearly an Orta decision, because he was in charge of ALL THINGS on the ‘football’ side, is just plain wrong. Did you honestly believe our finance guys and Kinnear only took decisions on contract structures for staff on the ‘non-football’ side - which only accounts for a very small proportion of the Club’s wage bill?