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Team: Leeds United


Where from: Leeds


Favourite player: Tony Yeboah


Best team moment: Becoming last First Division Champions


Interests: Sport, photography, choral singing, walking, nature, politics


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14 Sep 2021 13:55:32
We are appealing Struijk’s red card. Phil Hay reported in The Athletic this morning that the Club was expected to do so, and has now said confirmation has been received that the relevant papers have now been submitted to the FA.

Given that former referees are reported to have said the challenge didn’t merit a red, and perhaps more pertinently Harvey Elliot has said it didn’t, you’d hope the appeal would have a good chance of being successful.


1.) 14 Sep 2021 14:49:54
One thing against us Clueless, we are Leeds.


2.) 14 Sep 2021 15:05:36
In the meantime while the appeal goes through does that mean we can play Struijk against Newcastle or will a decision have been reached by Friday?


3.) 14 Sep 2021 15:59:41
I know, AGM. I was going to say that. The Leeds element of the case would stick out like an exceedingly sore thumb if the decision stands, given the precedent would seem to have been set by a very similar case involving Heung-min Son last season.

Alf - According to Leeds Live, the decision should be known tomorrow at the latest.


 

 

10 Sep 2021 22:48:05
This evening, the Club apparently tweeted a picture of Raphinha in training, with the message ‘R10🔥’.


1.) 11 Sep 2021 10:20:52
That's true.


 

 

07 Sep 2021 23:11:56
That lad Haaland looks a good prospect. 🤪

Clearly Orta didn’t know what he was doing when Leeds tried to sign him from Molde in 2019, bringing him over to see all the Club’s facilities etc. Thankfully Red Bull Leipzig were able to blow our offer out of the water.


1.) 08 Sep 2021 14:31:11
Clu Erling would have been a slight upgrade on Jay Roy Grot.


2.) 10 Sep 2021 08:59:23
Jay-Roy Grot clearly had the physical attributes to be a real handful at Championship level, being built like the proverbial brick s#*thouse and with a decent turn of speed. He’d been capped in the Dutch age group sides and already had a season in the Eredivisie, with 17 starts and 5 goals in the regular season and another goal in a relegation playoff match - not bad for an 18 year-old who’s manager kept switching his position, principally between RW and CF, but also with a game each at LW and as a secondary striker. Fiorentina had tried to sign him before he came to us, but couldn’t agree a fee with NEC, so overall he seemed like a decent prospect. Having joined us with the season already started, he apparently really struggled to settle with the move away from Holland, and getting dogs abuse from some of the fans probably didn’t help the lad. Having not managed to put a marker down in that first season he was probably never going to be able to make the cut when Bielsa whittled down the squad. He may have developed under a different manager here, but obviously we’ll never know.


 

 

24 Aug 2021 08:39:37
Rumoured to be interested in Thierry Small, 17 year old left back who’s just ripped up his scholarship contract at Everton as can’t see clear pathway to first team there. Villa and Saints said to be among other interested clubs. I hope we are on for him and convince him to choose us. We all know we are short of left backs at the Club, with a winger playing there for u23s. Small was playing with Toffees u23s aged 16, is well built and athletic, good defensively but also with skill and pace to be a wing-back. Him and Drameh at full back in years to come would be a scary prospect for many opponents.


1.) 24 Aug 2021 12:07:08
He’s signed for Southampton.


2.) 24 Aug 2021 12:40:08
Yep. Gone to Saints.


3.) 24 Aug 2021 12:58:57
Cluey Wrote about this guy months ago quipping if he lined up with Robin, we'd have a Small Koch in our side. Baz subsequently replied to my post with numerous paragraphs indicating he had a lot of knowledge in this area. 🤣.


4.) 24 Aug 2021 13:43:39
Just heard on the radio that Saints have brought the lad in. Pity, he could have been an excellent addition to the u23s, and great prospect for the Club.


5.) 24 Aug 2021 18:18:40
georgey leave my lunchbox out of this lol.


6.) 24 Aug 2021 18:55:52
George - sorry, obviously so long ago I’d forgotten all about it.


 

 

23 Aug 2021 11:22:22
According to Phil Hay, Poveda looks to be heading out on loan, probably to Blackburn. That move would make perfect sense. The lad clearly has talent, and needs game time to aid his development. Obviously he’s at a stage where he needs to be playing senior football, and keeping him in the u23s would also reduce playing time for the new lads, and have the potential to dampen an otherwise positive and energised atmosphere among that squad. His development seems to have plateaued here, to the extent that Summerville has overtaken him. Hopefully he gets the loan move and uses it to really kickstart his career. If he does so, we could have a good player on our hands.


1.) 23 Aug 2021 12:22:12
If it hasn’t been kickstarted by now then he’s going to be a nearly player, get him off the payroll he’s a Adrian 2:0.


2.) 23 Aug 2021 12:54:19
Definitely Martyn.


3.) 24 Aug 2021 03:51:40
Clue First thing you've posted I disagree with. Martyn is correct but wasn't correct when he said something similar about the boy Wilks. Poveda out of his depth in PL and he won't pull up trees in Blackburn nor dance on their cobbled streets. Talent yes but doesn't know what he's doing on pitch and zero end product.


4.) 24 Aug 2021 08:47:42
We’re is silks now George?


5.) 24 Aug 2021 09:07:55
Sorry to disappoint, George. You’ll have seen the quotes from Orta re seeing how Blackburn had helped Harvey Elliot’s development, and hoping that they can do the same for Poveda. Maybe I should have put the IF and COULD in capitals to stress my meaning in the comment above. Clearly it’s down to him to use this opportunity, to put some serious work into developing some end product. He needs to give his head a serious shake and realise he’s in danger of wasting his talent; stop thinking street football and orientate himself to the dimensions of the pitch instead. Maybe he’ll be inspired by fellow South American diasporant Ben Brereton Diaz. He’s got a season to work on it. In a way, he’s been put on notice - sort yourself out and there’s a way back. If not, you know what’s coming.


6.) 24 Aug 2021 13:00:46
Martyn He's at championship side Hull City as a 1 in 3 game goal scorer. Hardly Dom Poleon.


7.) 24 Aug 2021 13:03:12
Cluey You can put a fork in Poveda. He's League Two standard. There'll be no welcoming committee upon his return in 2022.


8.) 24 Aug 2021 17:23:19
He’s hardly Danny ings either George and quite a journey man for a lad his age.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2021 14:22:00
Oh dear, very concerned by team news. No Raphinha, KP or Firpo (not even on bench) with Struijk in for KP, Dallas dropping back to LB and Roberts starting in midfield.


1.) 16 Oct 2021 15:05:04
Apparently three at back (as you’d expect against Saints’ two up top) with Shack, Dallas, Klich and Roberts in midfield.


 

 

15 Oct 2021 20:09:00
Can imagine that while sharing a celebratory embrace with Raphinha after his second goal, Neymar was whispering in his ear ‘come to PSG, we can do this every game’. Of course Raphinha will have told him to save his breath, as he has a good thing going at Leeds under El Loco, with James (pronounced Hamez, of course) , Rodrigo, Harisson, Kalvinho and Shackletinho, etc.

Likewise, if as was reported Leeds joined with other Prem clubs in arranging a private jet for their players from the match he’ll have had Alisson and Fabinho telling him to go to Pool, Fred and Cavani, pushing Salford, Ederson and Jesus going on about Citeh and Thiago Silva trying to get a word in about Chelski, and Douglas Luiz wishing he was at one of those clubs or Leeds.


1.) 15 Oct 2021 22:16:43
Maybe Raph was whispering ' come to Leeds, we can do this every game'?


 

 

14 Oct 2021 23:06:47
Ed - you have, I’m sure, seen the exchange of comments on here between me and Ed2 re the Saudi takeover over of Newcastle. Given Ed2’s apparent certainty that the Saudi State did not own or in any way control Newcastle - I’d be interested in his thoughts on the article in The Athletic today. In his view is the author Joey D’Urso also a cretin who is writing about something he doesn’t understand?

{Ed002's Note - I have not seen it and I don't know him but there are plenty of journalists who don't understand many different things. The Saudi State do not have aany control or influence over Newcastle and the separation betweein the State and the Investment fund has been explained to the satisfaction of all concerned.}


1.) 15 Oct 2021 19:22:34
Ed - somehow I feel the last sentence should read ‘to the satisfaction of all who don’t give a damn’.

I know you actually mean concerned in a different sense, I all who have a role in deciding whether it is satisfactory for the purposes of the EPL - rather than in a wider sense, either in terms of others who are involved in the EPL, or in terms of anyone else who might be concerned about human right and sportswashing. But actually, to the outsider it feels like those at the EPL who were involved in the decision didn’t give a damn even whether strictly speaking their own requirements were met - as any independent observer - like a reporter in The Athletic can see the assurances given aren’t worth the paper, or digital space they’re written on/ in.

Oh, by the way, I would suggest you do read the article, it’s rather interesting. While I don’t doubt you know a great deal about the matter, it’s always worth seeing whether there’s anything further to add to your knowledge.

{Ed002's Note - I will try to find it but if he is saying that the State have control over New Astle he is wrong.


2.) 15 Oct 2021 21:52:40
Clu good post from you again on this

could you summarise the key points made by journalist Joey Durso (who has an impressive CV I see ) as I am not subscribed to the fee paying Athletic to access it.

Much appreciated if you do.

{Ed007's Note - That won't be happening, that website is just click bait, hitwhoring nonsense to make money. I wouldn't trust the date on it. It's people getting paid to attract hits by any means neccesary. If you want to read it Durso's garbage be a mug and pay for it if you're giving his OPINION credence.}


3.) 16 Oct 2021 07:16:18
Well said Ed - The Athletic a very dubious source indeed.

{Ed001's Note - it is a shame it started well but now the 'journalists' spend large portions of their time on twatter dropping clickbait to try and get subscriptions. It has gone from being a worthwhile idea to being just the same as the likes of Bleacher Report or HITC.}


4.) 15 Oct 2021 23:35:29
hmm Ed007 interesting albeit slightly surprising reply

all I will say is that I am not familiar at all with Durso's work but I a very much so with former YEP reporter Phil Hay

someone who I respect and have followed for many a year with his YEP posts, appearances on various you tube blogs , who now writes for the Athletic on Leeds United

and Phil Hay is not someone I would readily associate with as you put it 'click bait hot whoring nonsense to make money', but I suppose anything is possible, livings to earn.

{Ed007's Note - You just don't respect him enough to pay to read him eh?}


5.) 16 Oct 2021 08:46:20
Ed’s there may be some truth in what you say, but not all articles should be dismissed as clickbait. Ed7 - it would seem D’Urso has previously written something you disagreed with as you clearly have some bitterness towards him - do tell what it was that enraged you so. As Baz says, he does have a decent CV, and has clearly previously worked in the mainstream media covering topics which are relevant to the Toon takeover, so may know where to look for credible, robust info.

{Ed007's Note - I've no idea who D'Urso is but I am aware of the website he writes for and it's clickbaiting ways are well known and a well practiced way of relieving gullible people of their money.}


6.) 16 Oct 2021 09:27:34
Ed007 its rather straightforward really I just don' t want to pay any money to access football journalists articles;

but that certainly does not mean that I do not hold Phil Hay in high regard, because I certainly do!

{Ed007's Note - Good for you, I'm sure he appreciates that.}


7.) 16 Oct 2021 12:17:13
Ed - is there some reason why my previous reply on this thread was not posted on here?

{Ed007's Note - Yes.}


8.) 16 Oct 2021 13:16:29
Ed - In that case, grateful if you could tell me the reason (s) why, so that I can learn from this and try not to submit replies, or posts that, would fall foul of that/ those particular editorial requirement (s) in the future. Thanks.

{Ed007's Note - I wasn't going to waste both our times arguing about the merits of another website.}


9.) 16 Oct 2021 14:11:09

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13 Oct 2021 10:40:52
I see Rio said he didn’t believe Bielsa could be a success with the Toon ‘cos he doubted he could work with the big name players they’d be wanting to sign.

Surely he’s missing the point. We all know Bielsa wouldn’t go there anyway, ‘cos he’s not motivated by working with a megabucks owner, let alone one who rides roughshod over human rights and allegedly thinks nothing of killing journalists - AND he’s very happy at Leeds.


1.) 13 Oct 2021 10:46:18
Yes it's not a Bielsa project at all.


2.) 13 Oct 2021 11:09:14
Clu although it appears that human rights issues and murder don’t mean a thing when big money is being waved around. Perhaps the significant point is that once great footballers that now have nothing better to do than spout complete brainless and utter drivel on the media and actually believe they are contributing something to the world of football.


3.) 13 Oct 2021 11:55:00
And, OP, that there are people in the media who give these former footballers the opportunity to spout such drivel, then broadcast it or commit to print, who thereby encourage that belief.


4.) 13 Oct 2021 13:39:35
It's all business isn't it. Opinions sell. As for the ex players I think some people just need attention and of course a way to earn money.


5.) 13 Oct 2021 19:12:07
Clue, best way to deal with gobby Ferdinand, is just not giving him the publicity he craves .

He genuinely can't help himself from talking she-ite .

Apart from Owen, Gobbys the worst pundit out there . For a man to have done what he done takes a special set of morales, so let's just not mention him.


 

 

09 Oct 2021 21:46:56
Why on earth didn’t Southgate field such an attacking line-up AT HOME to Andorra when Bamford was up front. He’d have bagged at least two, even with the limited playing time he was given.


1.) 10 Oct 2021 11:03:48
Perhaps he learned from the first game and changed his tactics?


2.) 10 Oct 2021 12:31:00
Wouldn’t have thought he would need to actually play Andorra to work out that he could get away with one ostensibly defensive minded midfielder against them and go on all out attack with little risk of even conceding a goal, let alone any points. I’m pretty sure the Wembley crowd, whom he claimed to have sought to please by putting on Kane, Grealish and Mount for the last half hour, would far rather have seen all out attack from the first minute rather than an hour of square passes across defence and midfield and backward passes from the wings, with occasional self-serving speculative long distance shots. If I was Bamford, I’d be even more pissed off now. With Tammy Abraham now also in the mix, that could well have been Paddy’s only opportunity to play for England.


3.) 10 Oct 2021 17:58:27
Probably also depends on the relative points total at the time and the face Southgate's default setting is extremely cautious . He said as well that he was concerned about a possible Euro hangover.


 

 

 

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13 Oct 2021 17:58:17
Indeed Alf. Radz has previously suggested he will step aside once the plan to get into Europe has been achieved, or if it becomes clear his ownership is holding the club back from achieving that goal.

Even though the Toon takeover could be seen as having a potential to send a seismic jolt through the plans of the other owners across the EPL and beyond, it currently seems unlikely to change any embryonic plans for a change in Leeds’ ownership. As the potential new owners, the 49ers and Lowy would seem likely to value Radz input, in terms of experience, contacts and investment through this vital next stage of the Club’s development. And I suspect Radz’s instinct, in terms of business and personal self-esteem would be to want to take on, rather than run from this new challenge.


 

 

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16 Sep 2021 15:27:59
Saw some reports suggesting Barcelona wanted a loan deal - presumably because they’re strapped for cash at the moment. Other reports saying Bielsa wanted Rodrigo to stay here.

Either way, if it was last minute, we wouldn’t have had time to bring in a replacement, either at striker or CAM. So, despite his patchy form, accepting the deal would have weakened our squad depth further.


 

 

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14 Sep 2021 15:59:41
I know, AGM. I was going to say that. The Leeds element of the case would stick out like an exceedingly sore thumb if the decision stands, given the precedent would seem to have been set by a very similar case involving Heung-min Son last season.

Alf - According to Leeds Live, the decision should be known tomorrow at the latest.


 

 

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10 Sep 2021 08:59:23
Jay-Roy Grot clearly had the physical attributes to be a real handful at Championship level, being built like the proverbial brick s#*thouse and with a decent turn of speed. He’d been capped in the Dutch age group sides and already had a season in the Eredivisie, with 17 starts and 5 goals in the regular season and another goal in a relegation playoff match - not bad for an 18 year-old who’s manager kept switching his position, principally between RW and CF, but also with a game each at LW and as a secondary striker. Fiorentina had tried to sign him before he came to us, but couldn’t agree a fee with NEC, so overall he seemed like a decent prospect. Having joined us with the season already started, he apparently really struggled to settle with the move away from Holland, and getting dogs abuse from some of the fans probably didn’t help the lad. Having not managed to put a marker down in that first season he was probably never going to be able to make the cut when Bielsa whittled down the squad. He may have developed under a different manager here, but obviously we’ll never know.


 

 

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01 Sep 2021 17:59:44
One of the things DJ said after signing was that he was looking forward to learning every day. That could be seen both as reflecting positively his expectations of the coaching environment he’s joining under Bielsa, and casting a little shade on the one he’s just left.


 

 

 

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21 Oct 2021 09:37:53
And presumably reports that Orta’s team have tracked/ scouted some of our players for two years or more before actually signing them are also PR fiction or the exception that proves that as a general rule we don’t actually scout players, but sign them on some kind of whim, and hope that whoever we sign enough we might have a couple of successes from time to time.


 

 

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21 Oct 2021 09:00:30
Alf - on what basis do you think Leeds have a hit and hope scatter gun approach?

I presume in your world, and maybe Baz’s, reports that based in Leeds we have the Head of recruitment, three senior scouts and seven part-time scouts, and that we have five further full time scouting staff based in Europe - and that we use a wide range of analytical software to complement and help streamline the scouting on the ground - is just some PR bulls#*t put about by the Club, whereas in reality presumably it’s just Uncle Victor sitting in his office playing an old version football manager bought for him while he was at Middlesbrough.


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 22:25:31
Alf - I don’t need to twist your words, you get yourself in a twist without any help.

I don’t actually have a pro-Orta agenda, merely trying to provide balance to the anti-Orta agenda being pushed by you and Baz in particular - trying to challenge some of the seemingly lazy assumptions and hindsight based conclusions you so often seem to be making and the ridiculous clickbait based JKA 🚩🚩🚩🚩 from Baz, which were not actually supported by the statically fact etc etc etc. As I’ve said before, more than once, I was very strongly critical of Orta in his first year and beyond, before I started reading into things - no not just by reading Phil Hay articles etc as you will presume, and recognised there were a wider range of factors that needed to be considered to get a full understanding. He’s also done some very good stuff at Leeds - and yes, obviously made some mistakes, but all DoFs make mistakes. Oh, and by the way, your the one that only sees what you want to see, and conveniently ignore the bleeding obvious facts because do not fit your narrative.


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 18:22:27
Since his arrival Koch has had two injuries which are each apparently very common. He has just been unlucky to ha e had both so close together. He was said to be our best CB in the games before his first injury, so could yet be a good option, though Llorente currently ahead of him. There is a reason both the Dutch and Belgian FAs are keen for Struijk to commit to them - he is actually a very good CB. Longer term Cresswell will be first choice RCB, with Struijk at LCB - though also being able to play on the right of a CB pairing. With Leo Hjelde also being in the mix for LCB in due course (while also able to play LB) they will all be able to play together if a back three is wanted.


 

 

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20 Oct 2021 18:01:49
Trying to spin your way out of a corner yourself by the sound of it Alf - not that it works.

Whatever way it’s phrased, you’ve previously suggested that Orta (who you now say is afraid of upsetting Bielsa) has fobbed Bielsa off with high priced players he doesn’t actually want, and who plainly don’t fit his system - which would upset any manager - let alone Bielsa. When the apparently inevitable happens (according to you and Baz) and the signings are a failure, Orta gets friendly journos to exonerate him from any blame by suggesting that Bielsa was very keen for those particular signings. Not forgetting, this is the Uncle Victor who continues to be very scared of upsetting the famously combustible Bielsa, who has previously walked out on clubs when he’s felt the Board has lied to him, and is also a stickler for integrity in all things. Spin and buck-passing would be anathema to Bielsa, and the Board knows that.

Yes Alf, you’re right in one respect. Orta and the rest of the Board very definitely do not want to upset Bielsa. And yet, if Orta had operated in the ways you and Baz try to suggest, he would most certainly have upset Bielsa, and he would have known that.