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Team: Leeds United


Where from: Leeds


Favourite player: Tony Yeboah


Best team moment: Becoming last First Division Champions


Interests: Sport, photography, choral singing, walking, nature, politics


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03 Nov 2021 12:26:42
Congrats to Archie Gray for his first England call-up, with the u16 squad for the four-team round-robin Val-de-Marne Tournament, which also includes France, Italy and Belgium.


 

 

14 Sep 2021 13:55:32
We are appealing Struijk’s red card. Phil Hay reported in The Athletic this morning that the Club was expected to do so, and has now said confirmation has been received that the relevant papers have now been submitted to the FA.

Given that former referees are reported to have said the challenge didn’t merit a red, and perhaps more pertinently Harvey Elliot has said it didn’t, you’d hope the appeal would have a good chance of being successful.


1.) 14 Sep 2021 14:49:54
One thing against us Clueless, we are Leeds.


2.) 14 Sep 2021 15:05:36
In the meantime while the appeal goes through does that mean we can play Struijk against Newcastle or will a decision have been reached by Friday?


3.) 14 Sep 2021 15:59:41
I know, AGM. I was going to say that. The Leeds element of the case would stick out like an exceedingly sore thumb if the decision stands, given the precedent would seem to have been set by a very similar case involving Heung-min Son last season.

Alf - According to Leeds Live, the decision should be known tomorrow at the latest.


 

 

10 Sep 2021 22:48:05
This evening, the Club apparently tweeted a picture of Raphinha in training, with the message ‘R10🔥’.


1.) 11 Sep 2021 10:20:52
That's true.


 

 

07 Sep 2021 23:11:56
That lad Haaland looks a good prospect. 🤪

Clearly Orta didn’t know what he was doing when Leeds tried to sign him from Molde in 2019, bringing him over to see all the Club’s facilities etc. Thankfully Red Bull Leipzig were able to blow our offer out of the water.


1.) 08 Sep 2021 14:31:11
Clu Erling would have been a slight upgrade on Jay Roy Grot.


2.) 10 Sep 2021 08:59:23
Jay-Roy Grot clearly had the physical attributes to be a real handful at Championship level, being built like the proverbial brick s#*thouse and with a decent turn of speed. He’d been capped in the Dutch age group sides and already had a season in the Eredivisie, with 17 starts and 5 goals in the regular season and another goal in a relegation playoff match - not bad for an 18 year-old who’s manager kept switching his position, principally between RW and CF, but also with a game each at LW and as a secondary striker. Fiorentina had tried to sign him before he came to us, but couldn’t agree a fee with NEC, so overall he seemed like a decent prospect. Having joined us with the season already started, he apparently really struggled to settle with the move away from Holland, and getting dogs abuse from some of the fans probably didn’t help the lad. Having not managed to put a marker down in that first season he was probably never going to be able to make the cut when Bielsa whittled down the squad. He may have developed under a different manager here, but obviously we’ll never know.


 

 

24 Aug 2021 08:39:37
Rumoured to be interested in Thierry Small, 17 year old left back who’s just ripped up his scholarship contract at Everton as can’t see clear pathway to first team there. Villa and Saints said to be among other interested clubs. I hope we are on for him and convince him to choose us. We all know we are short of left backs at the Club, with a winger playing there for u23s. Small was playing with Toffees u23s aged 16, is well built and athletic, good defensively but also with skill and pace to be a wing-back. Him and Drameh at full back in years to come would be a scary prospect for many opponents.


1.) 24 Aug 2021 12:07:08
He’s signed for Southampton.


2.) 24 Aug 2021 12:40:08
Yep. Gone to Saints.


3.) 24 Aug 2021 12:58:57
Cluey Wrote about this guy months ago quipping if he lined up with Robin, we'd have a Small Koch in our side. Baz subsequently replied to my post with numerous paragraphs indicating he had a lot of knowledge in this area. 🤣.


4.) 24 Aug 2021 13:43:39
Just heard on the radio that Saints have brought the lad in. Pity, he could have been an excellent addition to the u23s, and great prospect for the Club.


5.) 24 Aug 2021 18:18:40
georgey leave my lunchbox out of this lol.


6.) 24 Aug 2021 18:55:52
George - sorry, obviously so long ago I’d forgotten all about it.


 

 

 

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10 Jan 2022 22:22:45
Just realised what VAR stands for - Value Adjusted Refereeing.

While they go through the pretence of video checking incidents to see whether the pitch officials have come to a correct decision, what the boffins at Stockley Park are actually doing is running the potential incident outcome through a complex Value Matrix. The obvious element of this is the relative value of the two squads involved, with the working assumption being that the team with the higher valued squad should.

Sorry pressed send by mistake before finishing the post - was just finishing first point that in Value Adjusted Refereeing, the working assumption is that, all other things being equal, for any individual decision the team with the higher valued squad should get the benefit of any possible doubt. However, clearly there are a multitude of Value Judgements, within the matrix, which will also need to be considered, both within the context of an individual game - to counteract any possible perception of bias - and the external context, like current media perception eg immediately post- European Super League, or UEFA investigation of Citeh. Then of course there’s consideration of how a decision might fit with the various football authority agendas - clearly there will be cross-over here with the matters above, but of course the other point here is whether either of the clubs involved is a ‘bete noire’ like Leeds.

And there you have it - Value Adjusted Refereeing.


1.) 11 Jan 2022 00:13:35
Cluey Victoria you just worked this out? 😂 It's best described as CAR then.


2.) 11 Jan 2022 08:20:16
No George, not just worked out that such considerations were self-evidently true, just what the initials VAR actually stood for.


 

 

09 Jan 2022 17:12:49
I know it’s only his first senior game for us, but hopefully a few more on here now feel the time Orta spent getting young Hjelde might actually have been time well spent.

Here’s hoping we’ll soon have some more experienced first team additions to enthuse about too.

Good to see Bate getting his first taste of senior minutes too. Considering the relative strength of the two match day squads, our lads didn’t do too badly, and we didn’t need any extra games this season anyway. Even so, how poor was that VAR review of their first goal? Really surprised how strong Moyes went with his squad today, given they have a Prem match on Wednesday (and only making subs in the last 15 mins) - maybe he decided to go weak in that game instead, as it’s only Norwich.


1.) 09 Jan 2022 17:49:48
Clue I do agree I hope he replaces LLorente he’s a nightmare at best said from day one and he hasn’t improved at all.


2.) 09 Jan 2022 17:50:45
Heldje looked very composed to be fair .

Yes here's hoping he's one that victor has gotten correct.


3.) 09 Jan 2022 17:57:04
Agreed Clu re Hjelde, he impressed ; CB definitely his best position in preference to LB that he occasionally plays in U23s

As for the ref and VAR ref, its no wonder that most or all FA refs are no longer picked for World Cups and Euro Champs.

In cricket the 3rd umpire with the aid of technology seem to ALWAYS get the decisions correct, its a continued absolute embarrassment and scandal that the sport of football, specifically the woefully inept EPL and FA continue to fail in this.


4.) 09 Jan 2022 18:12:13
Fair play to Moyes putting out a strong team. Shows he sees the importance of silverware to a club.


5.) 09 Jan 2022 18:17:47
Funny how we see players differently. Llrorente to me is a class act. Ok he had a tough afternoon against a big forward but stuck at it and kept him scoreless. Just wish he’d cut out his occasional poor pass!


6.) 09 Jan 2022 18:40:41
Whitey - It seems likely that (unless he too gets injured in training this week) Hjelde will play alongside Koch at CB next Sunday, due to Llorente’s one-match ban. If so, it’ll be interesting to see how that partnership works.


7.) 09 Jan 2022 21:31:20
Clue agree I do hope he can prove a point, I think LLorente thinks he a jockey he’s always jumping on players backs, but I could be wrong Cork believe he will get better, it was a hard game player against 13 that referee and VAR. let’s hope some of the team are back for next weeks game I am getting fed up with my mate who’s West Ham fan Driving me mad.


 

 

29 Dec 2021 10:08:00
Totally off-topic. The ECBs choice of Cinch as principal sponsor from May 2021 has proved highly appropriate for the men’s team so far, losing rather easily in the semifinal of the T20 World Cup, losing the home test series against India and now being totally outclassed by a not particularly impressive Aussie side in the Ashes. Their Test batsmen (or batters as they are now known) in particular are proving to be an absolute cinch.


1.) 29 Dec 2021 23:23:05
Very poor England side with the exception of root. The rest have no Will to fight. Wimps. Aussie bowlers are aw some but batters are questionable. But hardly need our batters anyway. Prob could get away with 3 batters and the rest bowlers.


2.) 30 Dec 2021 16:14:39
To be fair, some of the England bowlers aren’t bad, if they concentrate on line and length - problem was the seem attack was virtually one-paced and the current spin options just aren’t good enough. As you suggest, Root is the only decent batter on tour. Stokes is generally good, but hadn’t played any cricket for months so was hopelessly short of match fitness. Another key issue is wicket keeper - Buttler just isn’t good enough. Ben Foakes should have been given a chance to cement the place after shining in India a few years ago, but the England hierarchy seem to be fixated on choosing a batter who can also keep wicket half decently sometimes, rather than a specialist keeper who can also bat well.


 

 

27 Dec 2021 18:43:44
Dean Saunders on Talksport this aft talking about c.v. postponements, said that, as a manager, if his 2 best players couldn’t play he would do anything to get the game postponed if he could - then stated that however, there was a line he wouldn’t cross as a manager, and that he wouldn’t get someone to watch opponents training through a fence like Bielsa did.

What a muppet. - with apologies to Kermit, Miss Piggy etc.


1.) 27 Dec 2021 20:00:46
Shock horror!

What Clu the bastion of all virtuous morals and principles, Dean Saunders is upset over a practice of watching opponents train, widely accepted as normal in many areas of world football.

But when he was jailed for drink driving, where he could have killed innocent people whilst driving home from the races clearly intoxicated, subsequently claimed he was unable to give a breathalyser test due to asthma and talked to the arresting officers like something of his shoe, was also told he was arrogant and considered himself above the law by the judge at his trial.

Then yes, I really think we should take note of this fine upstanding member of the talk crap radio team.


2.) 27 Dec 2021 22:10:52
Well said Class, maybe he should engage his brain before opening his mouth! He along with quite a few double standard and hypocritical pundits have a short memory and should know when to shut up! Great point made Class 👍👍MOT.


3.) 27 Dec 2021 22:20:56
Cheers Woody, these so called shock pundits are the lowest of the lowest lowlifes.


4.) 27 Dec 2021 23:33:24
There crap all of them they had there time now and selfish and jealous the lot of them mot boys.


5.) 28 Dec 2021 00:57:56
Speaking of numpty pundits just finished a rewatch of League Cup Quarter Final Leeds 4 vs Vile 1 in the 1990/ 1991 season ; jeez I forgot how bad lol 'super pundit' Tony Cascarino was as a player for the Vile

Also how absolutely refreshing to watch a superlative EFFECTIVE Leeds United side that passed the ball forward to each other quickly, none of this bs overplaying from the back we have now, a team of players that ALL could score goals, that looked likely to score from most corners and set plays


Howard Wilkinson a true LEEDS UNITED GREAT AND LEGEND so, so, so far ahead of MB in achievements as a LUFC manager.


6.) 28 Dec 2021 09:05:49
Different times Baz. We had a great team then and could afford to compete. Now we have a championship team and are trying to compete with mega rich clubs whose budgets are on an entirely different level.


7.) 28 Dec 2021 11:34:53
Yes Alf tis true LUFC are competing with mega rich clubs whose budgets are on a different level, and financially Leeds were closer ( but still behind) these same teams back in the 90s

it was however most of our promotion team that became League Champions in 1991/ 92 Strachan, Chapman, Batty, Speed, Fairclough, Sterland, Shutt, McLelland, Whitlow and this achievement was down primarily to the very effective game management of Howard Wilkinson

sorry but in second season since promotion MB has been truly gash and vastly underperformed whereas Wilko was superlative, loved Wilko playing players in their natural positions, something MB could learn from.


8.) 28 Dec 2021 13:17:56
Talksport Radio is utter rubbish in my humble opinion.


9.) 28 Dec 2021 13:42:20
Didn’t Wiko play Speed as a CB on occasions?


10.) 28 Dec 2021 21:24:11
Cork : Wilko tried Speed at CB / sweeper for one match ( and that was in 92/ 93 season ) he also had Batty covering at right back for a few games that season too ;

but vast majority of the time Wilko played players in their natural positions.


 

 

18 Dec 2021 21:11:28
At least three of their goals were due to sloppy passes from our players.

But why no penalty when Ayling was pushed over by two of their players when it was 0-0 and why the f@ck did Xhaka not even get spoken to following his appalling tackle on Raphinha. Piss poor refereeing again.

It doesn’t excuse our mistakes, but when we’re getting such horrendous luck with injuries and shafted by the officials our players must sometimes be left feeling ‘punch-drunk’.


1.) 18 Dec 2021 21:38:31
Clue, please stop with the " luck " thing we are getting hammered on merit

Arrogance + flawed ideology is where we now find ourselves .

The above is said on cold hard FACTS.


2.) 18 Dec 2021 21:56:01
What that more than half our squad are not available!


3.) 18 Dec 2021 22:26:25
No Chris - my comment was cold hard objective fact - yours was subjective. I can’t be arsed getting into a pointless discussion over all of this all over again.

We all agree we need to get some more players in next month - and given our litany of injuries it seems very likely that reinforcements will be sought. And surely you’re not so sold on criticising our own Club that you you’ve become blind to how poor Marriner an VAR were today.


4.) 18 Dec 2021 22:37:47
Op, our " squad " remind me again how much cover we have in said squad

Keep on denying it all you want but the league position tends not to lie

By your reckoning we might be able to tell the PL management we should be immune from the drop because our " squad " was decimated by injuries

Reckon we might have a case?


5.) 18 Dec 2021 23:05:03
Clue your reply a bit more uptempo in it's delivery tells me stealthy there's an acceptance. that underneath your always articulated replies there's a rawness which truly understands my point

What's" subjective " about shipping 11 goals in 2 games?

Lad accept reality we are in a pickle which was forecasted.


6.) 18 Dec 2021 23:54:12
Chris as I’ve said before there are no guarantees in football, nothing is a given and yes should our unprecedented amount of injuries carry on till the end of the season then sure we could be relegated. But I can be sure that there’s probably no coach out there that could do any better with a completely decimated squad.
The more likely reality is over the coming weeks we will get our crocked players back and we will move out of the danger zone. Then hopefully in the summer we will invest in some quality players.
Your point of view seems to suggest that we sack Bielsa now and gamble on a new manager to deal with an injury list as long as your arm and implementing his brand of football at the same time.
No thanks mate, I’m putting my faith in Bielsa to sort this dilemma were in right now.


7.) 19 Dec 2021 01:33:32
Again Op, understand this

I have never called for Bubs to be sacked albeit currently most Prem chairmen would have by now

That's inarguable .

My point as you well know has been for many seasons Radz + Victor need moving on .

Ultimately the blame ENDS WITH THEM .

Radz has AND WILL MAKE MANY MILLIONS FROM US, he has under invested in the league we now play in, he is the boss NOT BUBS

Luck, injuries, suspension etc etc etc HAVE TO BE PLANNED FOR in the best league in the world,

Currently at lufc THEY WEREN'T and you can call me what you want, but just tell me again does this sound familiar to you? We are woeful.


8.) 19 Dec 2021 09:07:45
Chris - any rawness is due to the feeling that we’re being shafted not only by inept and biased officiating but by circumstances that mean we are effectively being punished for our players being double vaccinated - so apparently when one of our players tests positive for c.v. 19 no-one else is required isolate. Whereas other clubs with 25% or more of their players are not vaccinated get to call of their games if they have one case and 3 other players are required to isolate as contacts, even if they otherwise have a fully fit squad. And from knowing the rest of the Prem and their supporters and the corrupt authorities will be lapping this all up - the EFL will be absolutely salivating in the hope that we might get relegated.

Squad additions are required, not only for greater depth but also as a show of defiance to the authorities, naysaying pundits, the other clubs and their supporters - which will lift the spirits of our whole Club. They may knock us down, but we get up again. F@ck them all - we go again.


9.) 19 Dec 2021 11:59:44
Hands up Clue I wasn't aware of that, thank you Sir, once again a very good post from yourself 👍.


10.) 19 Dec 2021 12:12:53
I actually don’t believe Radz, Orta and Bielsa need moving on as you call it, but I do know that with the continued evolution of this club that they will all be replaced at some point. Radrizziani has already stated publicly that he will be selling the club to the San Francisco 49er’s in 2024.
I really appreciate his honesty and "future planning" of the club for the period he has been the custodian. Yes he’s going to make a stack of money out of it but good luck to him, he’ll have done a great job for himself and our club.

The problem is I find with some fans in football they are too impatient, expectations are not viable. It’s going to take time for this club to build for the future and that never comes without ups and downs along its journey.
You can tell quite clearly what the fans thought of Bielsa last night at Elland rd, they know that he has guided this club that we all love out of the stagnant doldrums into an exciting, enthralling and most entertaining type of football that we haven’t witnessed for many years.
They also understand that he’s hit some really piss poor bad luck with injuries and some quite unbelievably bad officiating. Not everything in life is a straight line to success, there are many obstacles to deal with on the way and this current situation is just one of those obstacles. All those fans know who are swinging their Leeds shirts around their head in the freezing cold whilst being whacked 7-0 believe and trust in Bielsa no matter what, and I’m pretty sure the players do too.


11.) 19 Dec 2021 14:56:16
Referee Marinated must have received extra bonus pay for missing Xhaka borderline red card. CPL at its finest. Guess what C stands for.


12.) 19 Dec 2021 17:18:42
OP If only honestly was in Radz book! What about planning didn’t see our current situation coming. No no planning, the only planning he had was getting 50 million from 49 to fund the ground improvements to which he paid nicely in rent.


13.) 19 Dec 2021 17:36:57
I think what you might read from the media and perhaps what is reality concerning Radz business with the 49er’s are likely to be two very different things. Also in hindsight who would possibly imagine that you would be ravaged by a very unusual amount of injuries to your players in a given season.
I do believe there is money available for players but they must be the type of player Bielsa needs also at a price that is within means and lastly that the player wants to come to Elland Rd.


14.) 19 Dec 2021 18:43:30
Op let’s hops so we will need it.


15.) 20 Dec 2021 08:43:35
Op, where is this "exciting, enthralling and most entertaining type of football" you speak of?


 

 

 

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16 Jan 2022 09:29:43
Is in his second full first team season at Liege as a CM. Standard Liege play a multitude of formations, requiring him to be versatile in role, including CDM, though generally in a double pivot when doing so. Played in Europa League last season. Has played 67 games for them, with 3 goals and 7 assists.


 

 

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13 Oct 2021 17:58:17
Indeed Alf. Radz has previously suggested he will step aside once the plan to get into Europe has been achieved, or if it becomes clear his ownership is holding the club back from achieving that goal.

Even though the Toon takeover could be seen as having a potential to send a seismic jolt through the plans of the other owners across the EPL and beyond, it currently seems unlikely to change any embryonic plans for a change in Leeds’ ownership. As the potential new owners, the 49ers and Lowy would seem likely to value Radz input, in terms of experience, contacts and investment through this vital next stage of the Club’s development. And I suspect Radz’s instinct, in terms of business and personal self-esteem would be to want to take on, rather than run from this new challenge.


 

 

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16 Sep 2021 15:27:59
Saw some reports suggesting Barcelona wanted a loan deal - presumably because they’re strapped for cash at the moment. Other reports saying Bielsa wanted Rodrigo to stay here.

Either way, if it was last minute, we wouldn’t have had time to bring in a replacement, either at striker or CAM. So, despite his patchy form, accepting the deal would have weakened our squad depth further.


 

 

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14 Sep 2021 15:59:41
I know, AGM. I was going to say that. The Leeds element of the case would stick out like an exceedingly sore thumb if the decision stands, given the precedent would seem to have been set by a very similar case involving Heung-min Son last season.

Alf - According to Leeds Live, the decision should be known tomorrow at the latest.


 

 

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10 Sep 2021 08:59:23
Jay-Roy Grot clearly had the physical attributes to be a real handful at Championship level, being built like the proverbial brick s#*thouse and with a decent turn of speed. He’d been capped in the Dutch age group sides and already had a season in the Eredivisie, with 17 starts and 5 goals in the regular season and another goal in a relegation playoff match - not bad for an 18 year-old who’s manager kept switching his position, principally between RW and CF, but also with a game each at LW and as a secondary striker. Fiorentina had tried to sign him before he came to us, but couldn’t agree a fee with NEC, so overall he seemed like a decent prospect. Having joined us with the season already started, he apparently really struggled to settle with the move away from Holland, and getting dogs abuse from some of the fans probably didn’t help the lad. Having not managed to put a marker down in that first season he was probably never going to be able to make the cut when Bielsa whittled down the squad. He may have developed under a different manager here, but obviously we’ll never know.


 

 

 

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18 Jan 2022 21:04:45
George - it was Lamps who claimed that our ‘spy’ had pliers and bolt cutters - implying they actually intended to commit a civil offence by trespass on Derby’s training ground, or at least damage to the fence there - when they apparently only had secateurs, to trim shrubbery on public land outside the fence and thereby enable a better view of a few training drills

To my mind, at least, that comment - clearly intended to mislead the media and wider public and thereby further foment the ensuing feeding frenzy - certainly amounts to an excessive reaction on his part.


 

 

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18 Jan 2022 17:44:47
OP - I wasn’t disagreeing re the latest machinations by Burnley/ the Prem - merely adding that others elsewhere have incorrectly suggested Dyche and co have chosen to postpone all of their 5 outstanding fixtures - and that having such a backlog may actually prove to be disadvantageous even with Cornet and any new signings playing for them.

On the wider point, I also agree that the Prem has handled the situation poorly - other top European leagues seem to have been far stricter.


 

 

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18 Jan 2022 16:30:51
Spot on Lad2 - to all that, you could also add that any decent players (and their agents) will usually have a number of clubs trying to make their case to them. Hopefully if we can beat the Toon at the weekend, our case will look far more compelling than it was at the start of the window - particularly as some of the competition for our potential signings may be from other clubs in the lower half of the Prem, and improving our relative position may well give us an advantage in that market.


 

 

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18 Jan 2022 14:42:26
The postponement of Burnley’s match v Leicester, and now tonight’s rescheduled fixture v Watford due to injuries and c.v. at Burnley does seem a little questionable.

However, it seems a little unfair for some podcasters etc to suggest these postponements, combined with other affecting that club are symptomatic of a general approach by Dyche and others there to dodge games until they’re better able to compete. The originally scheduled fixture v Watford and another home game v Everton, plus their away tie v Villa were called off at the request of their opponents, and the home fixture v Spurs was called off by the ref on the day due to snow. Even if they do bring in new signings, Burnley’s survival would seem unlikely to be helped by the resultant fixture pile-up.


 

 

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18 Jan 2022 09:15:50
Whitey - McKinstry being on the receiving end of a bad tackle last night has nothing to do with training or anything else being done at Leeds. A couple of other players last night were struggling with cramp in the last 15 mins - which can happen anywhere.