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31 Jul 2022 23:31:20
Marsch said after the game tonight that he and Orta etc will be having a further discussion with Radz to nail down exactly who they still want to bring in, with the intention that those 2 or 3 will be brought in very quickly - hopefully this week.

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1.) 01 Aug 2022 05:49:29
3Ms. McAtee, Max, Martin Merrier.


2.) 01 Aug 2022 07:43:38
3. A very specific number, and a clear sign of intent. Should be sufficient to keep everyone happy!
And those 3 would be perfect George!


3.) 01 Aug 2022 10:49:25
Missing a keeper.


4.) 01 Aug 2022 12:10:55
?? Meslier begins with M.


5.) 01 Aug 2022 12:56:58
The young lad as #2 to Meslier did very well the other day when he played. Maybe they’ve decided that those two youngsters are good enough to fill the GK spots?


6.) 01 Aug 2022 19:27:20
The more 'M's the Merrier eh George?


7.) 01 Aug 2022 22:08:34
Most manifestly Malf.


 

 

30 Jul 2022 16:53:12
LUFC Fanzone have poured cold water on Quinone rumour, having being informed by a ‘source close to the player’ that Leeds haven’t been in touch, and definitely no deal agreed.

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1.) 30 Jul 2022 19:15:50
Cluey Was it tonic water they poured?


2.) 30 Jul 2022 20:06:59
Funny you should say that George…. but it may have been a tonic to Strasbourg in their alleged pursuit of the lad, though should they actually be celebrating the ‘news’, it’d be more likely with a long cold Kronenbourg ?.


3.) 31 Jul 2022 08:10:00
Guess it could be said this rumour looks a spirited effort, but it may just have hit the rocks.


 

 

13 Jul 2022 23:53:28
CDK played the first half of Brugge’s friendly v Utrecht tonight. Previously he was kept out of training because a transfer could have been imminent. He’s also expected to play in the Belgian Super Cup at the weekend, which suggests Brugge do not feel AC Milan’s offer is close to acceptable. It therefore, perhaps, gives a little renewed hope that he could yet come to Leeds.

He was replaced at halftime by Ferran Jutgla, who they signed from Barcelona last month - and who perhaps might have been the only one of that club’s players I’d have felt happy with us taking as a makeweight in the Raphinha deal. Young Jutgla scored a brace in the second half.

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1.) 14 Jul 2022 10:12:59
Cheers Clu ?.


 

 

11 Jul 2022 12:58:14
Nice said to be taking an interest in Meslier, having sold their first choice keeper, Walter Benitez to PSV. Nice already have a promising young Polish keeper in their squad - 6ft 6 22-year old Marcin Bulka. They’ve just signed him permanently from PSG following a loan from. them last season, during which he played 1 league game and in their 5-game run the the final of the Coupe de France - having been the hero for them in the Round of 16, saving 2 penalties in a shootout against parent club PSG.

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1.) 11 Jul 2022 13:37:32
$60 mill clue?
What you think.


2.) 11 Jul 2022 14:15:44
For Meslier? Are you talking AU$ or US$?


3.) 11 Jul 2022 17:25:54
No chance of us letting him go.


4.) 12 Jul 2022 06:35:39
Depends on the price Sweaty.


 

 

06 Jul 2022 14:56:09
With the signing of Citeh’s Romeo Lavia by Southampton now confirmed, do we perhaps have an answer to the question as to why the £42m rising to £45m fee agreed for KP was said by the Club to be worth between £50-55m to us?

Southampton are reported to have agreed a fee of £10.5m (rising to £14m with add-ons) for Lavia. Rumours are that Bayer Leverkusen are expected to shell out a similar fee to sign young Citeh winger Sam Edozie.

Could it be that Citeh would have wanted a similar fee for Darko Gyabi but it was agreed that he could come to us for just £5m, given the KP transfer?

Obviously just idle speculation as although the figures would ‘add up’, that doesn’t necessarily mean the facts tally.

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1.) 06 Jul 2022 16:10:34
Is Gyabi considered as a first team squad player or under 23’s?
Just asking as I’ve no idea.


2.) 06 Jul 2022 16:42:39
Suggestions are that he may get first team opportunities this season. Expected to be in the squad for Oz, so it’ll be interesting to see how many minutes he gets in those friendlies, and how he performs. Would seem likely that initially this season he’ll get more game time with the u21s, as they’re now called.

It is possible that Citeh had intended to keep him for another season at least (as last season was his first with their u23) , then review progress and potentially let him move on for £10m+, but let him go for £5m to us this summer as KP was going the other way.


3.) 06 Jul 2022 17:18:39
Primarily a youth player for this season. Sweatz pal ?.


 

 

 

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15 May 2023 19:07:28
I see that for tonight’s PL2 D2 play-off final Forest are fielding some of their players who have been out on loan in the EFL, which is apparently allowed. Hope we don’t come to regret not doing the same. Obviously those still involved in EFL play-off couldn’t be recalled but Leo Hjelde for one would have been a handy option at CB or LB, and Shack could have been a useful utility sub.

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1.) 15 May 2023 21:45:59
Nice to see that the team that has done the work this year saw it through with the addition of Rutter who had a good workout as well!


2.) 16 May 2023 12:11:38
Alot to be said for allowing those who got us there the chance to shine in their final though.


3.) 16 May 2023 18:37:38
Totally agree with letting the lads who have fought all season, finish the job. Otherwise it’s like Arsenal, putting youth out in the Mickey Mouse, then a full squad for the final.


4.) 16 May 2023 20:27:17
I actually agree with the sentiment to let the same players seal the deal - and certainly would have started with them. I was just expressing a little concern, that had Forest actually turned up and we’d been in danger of missing out, a couple of more battle hardened options on the bench could have been useful. Thankfully those who started were more than able to see Forest off - even with their returnees.


 

 

15 May 2023 14:02:38
Watching the Newcastle match back on LUTV, the real-time coverage of the incident for their second penalty shows that Isak nudges Firpo in the back with his left hand but had also first dragged him backwards with his right hand and arm, which is what causes Firpo’s arms to go unnaturally high in overbalancing. The replays do not give the angle showing Isak’s right arm, giving the ref the impression that Firpo had voluntarily lifted his arms up before the slight nudge by Isak’s left hand. Total incompetence again from VAR.

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1.) 15 May 2023 14:15:55
Ok. So my dad a gooner. We discussed the firpo penalty.
He said it was a penalty.
I asked this question.
What professional football player in the world would suddenly decide to raise their hand high above their body and commit a hand ball?
There was silence.
The fact of the matter is he was fouled.
Too late now.
Just like people to adapt commonsense. Did firpo all of a sudden think he was a goalie?
No.


2.) 15 May 2023 14:34:27
Cluey Excellent post but incompetence it's not. You can't try to be incompetent. When you do try, it's called something else.


3.) 15 May 2023 15:53:05
I think firpo was pulled back to be honest
The Newcastle players were making the decisions for the ref.


4.) 15 May 2023 17:13:04
And Ayling was maybe fouled in the build up.


5.) 15 May 2023 18:30:21
Didnt see a foul on Firpo . even if he was pulled back still doesn't explain why on earth him arm was so erect grasping for the ball. the guy isn't the brightest it seems watching him play

This is football not basketball!


6.) 16 May 2023 10:49:36
Baz - Firpo was not grasping for the ball. If you jump upwards with your hand at about shoulder height and someone pull you backwards, gravitational/ rotational forces tend to cause your arm to extend up/ outwards in that way.

I don’t understand quite why some people expend so much time and effort in trying to see the worst in people, and also trying to convince others to see things the same way.


7.) 16 May 2023 11:53:03
Firpo not fouled . did anyone even complain to red of " foul"
18th in league Clu
17th last season
Victor Orta sacked
Jessy Marsch sacked
Javi Gracia sacked
Record goals conceded over 2 seasons
Least wins in 2 seasons
Likely relegated . and unnecessarily so

Likewise I don't understand why people soft soap these facts.


8.) 16 May 2023 16:44:51
Yes, Baz, they did complain to the ref.

Yes, Baz, I know you’re alluding to Orta, but as I’ve pointed out several times he did not actually run the Club, and even within his sphere of influence was constrained by financial and other parameters placed on him by Radz and Kinnear.

And, the negative comments about others posting on here led to your temporary exclusion from the site…….

So, again, not really sure what benefit you and others feel excessive negativity has for anyone.


9.) 16 May 2023 17:40:32
It's not " negativity " Clu it is/ was factual reality, realism that sadly are regime failed to take heed of.


10.) 16 May 2023 18:42:08
Well done Cluey! ???.


 

 

06 May 2023 10:21:43
Just a thought or two for those who’ve expressed concerns that 49ers Enterprises will walk away if we are relegated.

They bought an initial 15% stake in September 2018 for £10m and a further 22% in January 2021 for what reports suggested was around £50m. They bought a further 7%
in November 2021, at which point they agreed an option to buy the remaining 56% by January 2024, which valued the Club at £475m. Buying a 7% stake on that valuation would have cost around £33m.

Incidentally, at the start of this season Forbes valued our Club at around £690m, though given our struggles this season, their valuation seems likely to have dropped significantly.

Anyway, to ‘walk away’ 49ers Enterprises would need to find someone to buy their current 44% stake. If we were to be relegated, the Club’s value is reportedly likely to drop to around £150m - making that stake worth £66m. It’s quite possible they’d find a buyer, but would the people who’ve bought into the 49er’s Enterprises stake in Leeds really want to make a loss on their investment? - it seems rather unlikely.

Phil Hay has mooted that Radz may choose to stick around if we’re relegated, in the hope that the parachute payment and transfer receipts from selling the likes of Meslier, Rodrigo (with whom the Club apparently has an agreement to sell if relegated) , Firpo (hopefully) , Koch etc will help him to fund a push for an immediate return to the Prem, so that he doesn’t take a significant hit on any sale of his remaining stake in the Club.

Given that 49ers would seem unlikely to walk away, it’s probable they would also not wish to take a risk on Radz possibly being unable to secure promotion, but rather prefer to take control of the situation themselves.

Obviously Radz would likely be resistant to selling his full remaining stake at such a reduced valuation, so a possible outcome would be a compromise position where 49ers buy additional shares sufficient to move to a comfortable majority stake in the Club, with an option to buy the remaining shares at some point after securing promotion.

Hopefully Allardyce can steer us to safety, rendering any of the above thoughts completely irrelevant.

Clueless

1.) 06 May 2023 11:43:43
Good post and agree mate,

If we stick with rads I do think he will back us out hand in pocket and see us come straight back k up.


2.) 06 May 2023 14:42:58
Share values go up and down. I think they will stay if we go down. They’ll have seen the potential. They’ll likely get the club at a lower price - and they’ll have seen SU and Burnley come straight back up with proper management.


 

 

05 May 2023 22:06:26
You’ve probably seen LeedsAllOver’s report that ‘sources’ have informed them that if Radz is involved in choosing our new DoF, Canaries’ Stuart Webber would be on his list.

There’s probably little substance in the report, but I’d not be enthusiastic about him as an option, given the reduction in quality of recruitment etc at that Club in the two seasons since Chief Scout Kieran Scott left to take up the DoF role at Boro’. Canaries fans seem pretty disenchanted with how things have gone since then - with the customary relegation having been followed by a failure to challenge for the play-offs, let alone automatic promotion. They were apparently also not impressed by Webber’s banning of the Eastern Daily Press earlier this year after they asked him whether there was any truth in suggestions that he was looking for opportunities elsewhere.

You may also have seen to fanciful report that we were hoping to bring in Mateu Alemany who is leaving Barcelona this summer.

I guess that, given the admiration on here for Brentford’s recruitment, their DoF Phil Giles might be high on people’s list of possible targets, but even if we stay up it may well prove difficult to convince him to leave the Bees, given their current comparative success, and that he’s currently deeply engaged in the work needed to re-establish their Academy over the next season or so.

There’s also little to no chance we’d be able to convince Martin Hinshelwood to come here from Brighton, so it would be interesting to know who everyone would like Radz and or the 49ers to bring in as DoF.

Clueless

1.) 05 May 2023 22:30:26
How about nobody? Allow Big Sam to teach about recruitment of the right blend of playing personnel. Buy more British, buy tougher, buy defenders, buy out and out strikers and not wingers. Let Big Sam mould us into a less risky club first.


2.) 05 May 2023 22:55:31
Good post Clu. I am not a fan of Dofs at all. Get a manager in who knows what kind of players he wants.


3.) 06 May 2023 08:18:34
Do we need one?


4.) 06 May 2023 08:23:49
George - the Board has apparently taken a view that, given Radz’s comparatively limited budget, our Club can’t currently afford to pay the premium prices established British players command, having also decided not to buy players outfield players over the age of 29 (who would possibly not still have such premium price tags even if British) . The preferred route into the British market has been to buy Academy level players with high potential - with the intention that he likes of Greenwood, Perkins and Gyabi (along with local talent like Cresswell and Archie) go on to become the British core of our squad, having cost relative peanuts when brought in.

Hopefully with the intended change of ownership there will be sufficient increase in funds for transfers to enable us to bring in one or two more experienced British players to accelerate the process. Who knows, with more funds available it might be felt less necessary to look for sell-on value in the market and so we might even bring in one or two very experienced outfield players aged 30+.

The Board can and probably will dictate what parameters the DoF should operate within when working with the manager to reshape the first team squad and the talent pipeline within the Academy - as they did for Orta.


5.) 06 May 2023 09:26:15
So basically, we'll still be shopping in Lidl for the foreseeable future ??.


6.) 06 May 2023 09:30:58
Well the reason for a DOF is the manager these days doesn’t have the time to be flying all over the place brokering deals etc but yeah the manager should identify the players and then a dof then gets the deals done.


7.) 06 May 2023 14:37:01
No Leeroy - that’s not what I said. If/ when the 49ers take control, there will likely be a larger pot available for transfers. It has previously been reported that 49ers Enterprises intended to be at the helm for 10-15 years, and they will want to sell at a profit. 10 years is not a particularly long time, and the longer the time spent ‘shopping in Lidl’ as you put, the less the chance of getting a profit (as they’d see other clubs accelerating away) , and they certainly wouldn’t wish to risk any (more) time in the EFL.

Don’t forget also that one of the biggest investors is Peter Lowy who, as a lifelong Leeds fan, would have additional reason to ensure our Club prospers during their stewardship.


 

 

25 Apr 2023 22:43:51
Got to hope Wöber is back for Sunday at Bournemouth. If he is I’d be tempted to put at DM instead of Roca, with Coops remaining at LCB and Firpo LB.

Guessing Gracia will stick with Rodrigo and Bamford up top - telling Paddy he f*ing owes the fans big time….

Guessing also that he didn’t put Gnonto on for Sini as still worried about fitness and then didn’t want to sub Cry off as subbing a sub is shit, and that Harrison was kept on due to his support for Bill defensively. Presumably Aaronson was put on to scamper around pressing - though I’d rather Gnonto had been put on instead - I’d have moved Cry behind Bamford, as they linked up well whenever Paddy dropped down to U23s for fitness minutes.

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12 Feb 2023 20:31:16
I see some news outlets reporting that Ajax have won 3 league games in a row since he left - scoring 12 goals. What they don’t say is that Ajax also beat the same opposition under him earlier in the season- scoring 15 goals.

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12 Feb 2023 19:38:06
George - did you not read the rest of my comments - which were the main points. Any manager would struggle if 8 of their regular starters and 3 of their main backups were sold, particularly when more than €100m of the funds raised were siphoned off to clear some of the club’s debt so the DoF bought in lesser quality replacements.

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12 Feb 2023 17:28:59
Mighty - to be fair to the man, Ajax are apparently struggling with debt, which led to DoF Edwin van der Sar selling or releasing their goal GK Sketelenberg, second choice GK Andre Onana, lb Daley Blind, second choice LB Nicolas Tagliafico, RB Noussair Mazrouai, CB Lisandro Martinez, second choice RCB Perr Shuurs, CM Ryan Gravenberch, LW Anthony and CF Seb Haller and a few lesser lights, for combined fees of €216.22m (including the freebie releases total market value of €249.1m) . Ajax brought in players with a total market value of €136.2m.

The reduction in quality within the squad - with most previous starters gone, and several important back up players also lost- is marked, but the disruption to squad cohesion and belief would also have been seismic. Even the best of coaches would have struggled in that position - and while they struggled in CL against Napoli (who are outstanding this season) and Liverpool, at least they still thrashed Rangers home and away.

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08 Feb 2023 12:39:40
Carlos needs more experience, pref in Prem with another team first. If he can get Baggies promoted and keep them up at least one season, he may start to look like decent bet.

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30 Jan 2023 14:22:05
Indeed, Sweaty. I think I may have mooted that suggestion on here at the time.

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16 May 2023 21:24:07
Brighty - no way the 49ers would think of bringing in Bob Bradley. They’ve been involved with our Club long enough to know that bringing in any other US coach after Marsch’s unsuccessful stint would be one of the fastest ways to turn the fanbase against them, and bringing in Bradley, whose previous attempt in the Prem, with Swansea, lasted only 11 games and provided a meager 8 points, would be just about the worst such move they could make.

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16 May 2023 20:27:17
I actually agree with the sentiment to let the same players seal the deal - and certainly would have started with them. I was just expressing a little concern, that had Forest actually turned up and we’d been in danger of missing out, a couple of more battle hardened options on the bench could have been useful. Thankfully those who started were more than able to see Forest off - even with their returnees.

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16 May 2023 16:44:51
Yes, Baz, they did complain to the ref.

Yes, Baz, I know you’re alluding to Orta, but as I’ve pointed out several times he did not actually run the Club, and even within his sphere of influence was constrained by financial and other parameters placed on him by Radz and Kinnear.

And, the negative comments about others posting on here led to your temporary exclusion from the site…….

So, again, not really sure what benefit you and others feel excessive negativity has for anyone.

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16 May 2023 15:48:29
For starters, of those with extensive experience of the Prem/ Champ, Slaven Bilic would probably jump at the chance. Yes his most recent management stint, at Watford, didn’t go well in the end but he is a very reflective coach, and will have been analysing what he could have done better. Nuno Espirito Sancto may well also be looking for a way back into the English game and, having already managed Wolves in the Champ, could be persuaded if convinced of the seriousness of intent to bounce straight back to the Prem.

Among those in the Champ already, Corberan could be persuaded to jump ship when the season is over, as might Jon Dahl Tomasson, whom Leeds and Leicester have been rumoured to be looking at.

There will be quite a number of decent managers outside of the English game who are keen to manage in the Prem, and as opportunities to go straight into that league aren’t often available for those non-elite managers who don’t already have Prem/ Champ experience, entry through promotion with a Champ team can be the best way in.

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16 May 2023 11:46:57
Baz - do you really have such a low opinion of our Club, that we’ll struggle to attract decent options as a potential manager if we go down to the Champ?

Kompany left Anderlecht, the club at which he had started his playing career to go to Burnley in the Champ - and he’s done a pretty decent job in getting them promoted.

Even in the Champ, and even following the last two seasons, Leeds is a more attractive prospect than Burnley, so whoever is in charge shouldn’t have difficulty in finding a range of decent managers willing to come to us. Don’t get me wrong, I do see big Big Sam as an option that should be considered, but I hope the Board will be sounding out other possibilities. Granted, it’s very unlikely the likes of Slot, Areola, etc would come, but it’s equally unlikely Big Sam would be the only one interested.

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